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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:59:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:And what you think what happens if your side wins,those who you call brethren or ally will point those guns at you.I know also if your enemies win samething will happen.I say dont fight for the factions who lie and betray everyone
This applies to more Gallente than Caldari. Get your facts straight.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
792
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Posted - 2014.01.03 11:48:00 -
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Orin Zumari wrote:The Caldari people have always had to fight for every bit of our freedom. The Gallente Federation has stolen much from us, but they cannot steal our spirit. Though a people without a home, the Caldari will rise and retake what is rightfully ours. So long as my lungs breathe air, I shall be fuel to the spirit.
Last I checked you had a planet named after you, which is in Caldari control.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
792
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Posted - 2014.01.03 13:43:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:We do own it but your people still want it for their greedy hands we only wish to keep our land and protect it. (( and yet I still wouldn't mind taking your home from you like you took ours just for revenge of course))
I beg to differ.
Gallente aren't always greedy, corrupt bastards as many Caldari often portray them to be.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
792
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:29:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:So what of our p.o.w.s. you have been experimenting on and all the civilian lives you've killed in this war (( not capsuleer your regular army)). Your people have done us wrong in unimaginable ways and oppressed us for far to long. We stand against you now with the power to stop you
You did this, you did that, you support this, blah blah blah. I don't support the Gallente, in fact I actively work against them. Associating me as somehow supportive of the Federation is a false premise. I did nothing, my people, the Intaki, did nothing, they did.
And are you really that much better? The ultimate "good guys", oppressed by the "evil" and corrupt Gallente and fighting for a righteous cause? You're not completely innocent either, and it takes two sides to start a conflict. The reason why the whole Caldari-Gallente war happened was because Caldari performed a terrorist attack, which was then responded by heavy Gallente bombarding on Caldari Prime. Then one of the Caldari fleet's ships crashed right into Gallente Prime. Spin this any way you want, the Caldari killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians during this whole pointless conflict.
To clarify, I don't support the Gallente nor the Caldari, and neither side are the black and white good guys or bad guys the militias often portray them as. New Eden is a mix of different shades of grey, not a black and white, ultimate evil and ultimate good.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
792
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:48:00 -
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So sacrificing "just" a few million Gallenteans in favor of saving more Caldari is better, and for what reason exactly? The needs of the many don't always outweigh the needs of the few, and explaining all of its moral implications would take ages. Believe all you want, but senslessly shouting about how Gallente should are all corrupt and money grubbing bastards makes you sound ignorant and stupid, when Caldari in comparison have done ateocious acts as well.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
792
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:17:00 -
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Why are Caldari more valuable as humans than Gallente then? Because Gallente government is worse? Because State is better than everything else and the perfect utopia of a society? Less than two years ago Tibus Heth was the leader of the State and had the majority backing, the cheering of the many quelled the concerns of the few. I could go on a ramble for many hours about the hierarchical and olligarchical nature of the Caldari society and its implications until the dawn of time.
My point is not saying the State is bad, my point is that the State is not perfect, and the Gallente are not the epitome of all things evil. Morality isn't binary, purely black and white. It's a spectrum, various shades of grey. Claiming it is anything else is a fallacy, which is why all Gallente are not all greedy bastards as you implied. That is my point.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
793
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Posted - 2014.01.03 18:43:00 -
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So, instead of actually countering my arguments, which I backed up with actual facts and evidence, you ignore them completely and instead call me a fanboy and state the same fallacy again? Way to go on winning the debate.
If you didn't know, I have argued for the Caldari, and against the Gallente before, most specifically highlighting the entire Intaki issue the Gallente Federation is directly responsible of. I've even defended the Amarr and their faith, on several occasions. I have history to show that I am not just a defender of the Gallente, I'm the defender of common sense and reason, and the opposer of pointless chestbeating and zealotism.
Absolute loyalty without question is what I loathe, and it leads to nothing but tragedies. If admiral Yanala would have followed Heth without question, Caldari Prime would have been an inhospitable wasteland.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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