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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:16:00 -
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Really, the plasma cannon and swarm launcher are not versatile enough to justify using up a primary weapon slot.
The fitting requirements need to be adjusted so that sacrifices have to be made by using PG/CPU extenders and perhaps using weaker health/light weapon/sidearm/grenade.
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I primarily play Skirmish and Domination (I don't want to even know what ambush would be like with 20 tanks roaming around). I think tanks have the potential to add more excitement (dat "oh ****!" factor ), however if tanks are going to be this accessible AND powerful then there needs to be extremely accessable AV.
The current mechanic where the slayers are supposed to protect AV guys is not a fun mechanic. It's not fun because it's forced teamwork (this is also the reason why I don't play as a heavy, except for lols). The problem with forced teamwork is that the developers cannot guarantee that the teammate(s) will deliver and carry out what he is "supposed" to do. It's definitely okay to reward teamwork, and to give advantages when teamwork is used, however, if it's forced in a game where there are so many variables such as fitting options and player skill level, then chances are, one of the two parties will fall short (or fail to show up at all) and the "forced teamwork" mechanic crumbles.
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
122
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:18:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Really, the plasma cannon and swarm launcher are not versatile enough to justify using up a primary weapon slot. The fitting requirements need to be adjusted so that sacrifices have to be made by using PG/CPU extenders and perhaps using weaker health/light weapon/sidearm/grenade. ****** I primarily play Skirmish and Domination (I don't want to even know what ambush would be like with 20 tanks roaming around). I think tanks have the potential to add more excitement (dat "oh ****!" factor ), however if tanks are going to be this accessible AND powerful then there needs to be extremely accessable AV. The current mechanic where the slayers are supposed to protect AV guys is not a fun mechanic. It's not fun because it's forced teamwork (this is also the reason why I don't play as a heavy, except for lols). The problem with forced teamwork is that the developers cannot guarantee that the teammate(s) will deliver and carry out what he is "supposed" to do. It's definitely okay to reward teamwork, and to give advantages when teamwork is used, however, if it's forced in a game where there are so many variables such as fitting options and player skill level, then chances are, one of the two parties will fall short (or fail to show up at all) and the "forced teamwork" mechanic crumbles. COD 514 |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
914
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:19:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Really, the plasma cannon and swarm launcher are not versatile enough to justify using up a primary weapon slot.
QFT. Only assault OR logi dropsuit can carry AV + Rifle. Just like in BF4. Maybe dedicate logi suit to AV + light weapon, that could be cool.
Would LOVE to carry plasma cannon, rail rifle and SMG. That would make me a true assaulting class.
EDIT: This is probably the best post ever made. +1
Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP.
Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
1123
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:21:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Really, the plasma cannon and swarm launcher are not versatile enough to justify using up a primary weapon slot. The fitting requirements need to be adjusted so that sacrifices have to be made by using PG/CPU extenders and perhaps using weaker health/light weapon/sidearm/grenade. ****** I primarily play Skirmish and Domination (I don't want to even know what ambush would be like with 20 tanks roaming around). I think tanks have the potential to add more excitement (dat "oh ****!" factor ), however if tanks are going to be this accessible AND powerful then there needs to be extremely accessable AV. The current mechanic where the slayers are supposed to protect AV guys is not a fun mechanic. It's not fun because it's forced teamwork (this is also the reason why I don't play as a heavy, except for lols). The problem with forced teamwork is that the developers cannot guarantee that the teammate(s) will deliver and carry out what he is "supposed" to do. It's definitely okay to reward teamwork, and to give advantages when teamwork is used, however, if it's forced in a game where there are so many variables such as fitting options and player skill level, then chances are, one of the two parties will fall short (or fail to show up at all) and the "forced teamwork" mechanic crumbles. COD 514
^Obligatory misrepresentation of an idea.
Glad we got that out of the way quickly. |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
122
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:25:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:chase rowland wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Really, the plasma cannon and swarm launcher are not versatile enough to justify using up a primary weapon slot. The fitting requirements need to be adjusted so that sacrifices have to be made by using PG/CPU extenders and perhaps using weaker health/light weapon/sidearm/grenade. ****** I primarily play Skirmish and Domination (I don't want to even know what ambush would be like with 20 tanks roaming around). I think tanks have the potential to add more excitement (dat "oh ****!" factor ), however if tanks are going to be this accessible AND powerful then there needs to be extremely accessable AV. The current mechanic where the slayers are supposed to protect AV guys is not a fun mechanic. It's not fun because it's forced teamwork (this is also the reason why I don't play as a heavy, except for lols). The problem with forced teamwork is that the developers cannot guarantee that the teammate(s) will deliver and carry out what he is "supposed" to do. It's definitely okay to reward teamwork, and to give advantages when teamwork is used, however, if it's forced in a game where there are so many variables such as fitting options and player skill level, then chances are, one of the two parties will fall short (or fail to show up at all) and the "forced teamwork" mechanic crumbles. COD 514 ^Obligatory misrepresentation of an idea. Glad we got that out of the way quickly. no, I read your sht. just sounds like COD. if I wanted to play COD, id go play it. not an offbrand version |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
1128
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:41:00 -
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chase rowland wrote: no, I read your sht. just sounds like COD. if I wanted to play COD, id go play it. not an offbrand version
How does it sound like COD?
If anything, it's more akin towards Battlefield mechanics. The whole reason for this is because seeing all these vehicles on the map is something you cannot get anywhere else (definitely not in COD) and I want it to stay that way. I just want infantry to be able to accessibly have anti-vehicle weapons without having to completely throw away 95% of their infantry killing power.
Tanks are already accessible AND powerful. AV should at least be VERY accessible. If you want an AV weapon as a primary, you should have the option to skill into heavy suits and weapons (I know, I know, CCP needs to release more HEAVY weaponry ). |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
122
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:46:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:chase rowland wrote: no, I read your sht. just sounds like COD. if I wanted to play COD, id go play it. not an offbrand version
How does it sound like COD? If anything, it's more akin towards Battlefield mechanics. The whole reason for this is because seeing all these vehicles on the map is something you cannot get anywhere else (definitely not in COD) and I want it to stay that way. I just want infantry to be able to accessibly have anti-vehicle weapons without having to completely throw away 95% of their infantry killing power. Tanks are already accessible AND powerful. AV should at least be VERY accessible. If you want an AV weapon as a primary, you should have the option to skill into heavy suits and weapons (I know, I know, CCP needs to release more HEAVY weaponry ). for infantry it will be like COD. people will always have a PC out, trying to instakill someone or splash their HP down. its similar to BF3 in the vehicle department and will make tanking worse than it ever was. seriously, if I wanted to play either of those games, id be playing them. but right now, I wanna play dust. got a problem with that? |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
916
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:47:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:chase rowland wrote: no, I read your sht. just sounds like COD. if I wanted to play COD, id go play it. not an offbrand version
How does it sound like COD? If anything, it's more akin towards Battlefield mechanics. The whole reason for this is because seeing all these vehicles on the map is something you cannot get anywhere else (definitely not in COD) and I want it to stay that way. I just want infantry to be able to accessibly have anti-vehicle weapons without having to completely throw away 95% of their infantry killing power. Tanks are already accessible AND powerful. AV should at least be VERY accessible. If you want an AV weapon as a primary, you should have the option to skill into heavy suits and weapons (I know, I know, CCP needs to release more HEAVY weaponry ).
Protocake, you are completely right. As I have understood it, BF has solved the 'free vehicle issue' we are now seeing in Dust by making AV very accessible, but not ++ber potent like it was pre 1.7 (requiring teamwork to take down tanks).
Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP.
Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
1128
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:56:00 -
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chase rowland wrote: for infantry it will be like COD. people will always have a PC out, trying to instakill someone or splash their HP down. its similar to BF3 in the vehicle department and will make tanking worse than it ever was. seriously, if I wanted to play either of those games, id be playing them. but right now, I wanna play dust. got a problem with that?
Easy.
Just reduce Plasma cannon splash radius and/or make it have inaccurate hipfire. Anyone who brings a PC to a gunfight will fall to their knees to suck on your AR of choice.
Next.
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The point is, I know that the weapon mechanics themselves will need adjusting. The biggest problem that I can think of, is making so that LOGIs don't stack 10 swarm launchers or PCs into their equipment slots in order to cut down on reload times. Obviously fitting requirements will play a role in balancing that out, but there could be other things as well like damage, ROF, or even a hard limit of one PC and one SL (good luck trying fit those with decent shields and weapons).
This is still, and will alway be, Dust. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1940
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:20:00 -
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So instead of getting good with a sidearm weapon because your primary is AV weapon you want the AV weapon as an equipment item so you can carry a proto rifle and still beast on infantry and vehicles when they pop up
Well you know you can already do this
I give you - THE COMMANDO SUIT
The commando suit has 2 light slots, that means you can carry 2 primary weapons and it also has an equipment slot too for nanohives etc
Other than that this reads as 'im assault i want to tryhard everything into the ground and do everything better than all specalist classes because im special derp' |
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
919
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:20:00 -
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Even better, just split up every heavy and light weapon slot into two slots: Anti Infantry and Anti Vehicle.
Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP.
Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
1129
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:29:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:So instead of getting good with a sidearm weapon because your primary is AV weapon you want the AV weapon as an equipment item so you can carry a proto rifle and still beast on infantry and vehicles when they pop up
Well you know you can already do this
I give you - THE COMMANDO SUIT
The commando suit has 2 light slots, that means you can carry 2 primary weapons and it also has an equipment slot too for nanohives etc
Other than that this reads as 'im assault i want to tryhard everything into the ground and do everything better than all specalist classes because im special derp'
The commando suit will not be spoken of in this thread as it is an abomination created by Satan himself. It's pathetic speed, large hitbox, and the fact that it's buried in the HEAVY skill tree make it a very subpar choice to balancing out all the tank spam. Do you see everyone rushing towards Commando suits now after everyone started buying tanks? No? Then STFU. Your argument is invalid.
If someone wanted to create and assault suit that had a proto light weapon AND a proto AV weapon, he wouldn't have **** for health. Any FRONTLINE militia starter fit could drop him in a second from 80 meters away with 30% accuracy. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1791
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:44:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:So instead of getting good with a sidearm weapon because your primary is AV weapon you want the AV weapon as an equipment item so you can carry a proto rifle and still beast on infantry and vehicles when they pop up
Well you know you can already do this
I give you - THE COMMANDO SUIT
The commando suit has 2 light slots, that means you can carry 2 primary weapons and it also has an equipment slot too for nanohives etc
Other than that this reads as 'im assault i want to tryhard everything into the ground and do everything better than all specalist classes because im special derp' It would be nice to not lose 100k on dropsuits and weapons everytime I wanna scare tanks or dropships.
There is only so much you can do with a proto assault smg.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
122
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:05:00 -
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I still think this is stupid. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
3365
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:18:00 -
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I like it... But will scouts be able to carry em too? :(
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1673
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:18:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Protocake JR wrote:chase rowland wrote: no, I read your sht. just sounds like COD. if I wanted to play COD, id go play it. not an offbrand version
How does it sound like COD? If anything, it's more akin towards Battlefield mechanics. The whole reason for this is because seeing all these vehicles on the map is something you cannot get anywhere else (definitely not in COD) and I want it to stay that way. I just want infantry to be able to accessibly have anti-vehicle weapons without having to completely throw away 95% of their infantry killing power. Tanks are already accessible AND powerful. AV should at least be VERY accessible. If you want an AV weapon as a primary, you should have the option to skill into heavy suits and weapons (I know, I know, CCP needs to release more HEAVY weaponry ). for infantry it will be like COD. people will always have a PC out, trying to instakill someone or splash their HP down. its similar to BF3 in the vehicle department and will make tanking worse than it ever was. seriously, if I wanted to play either of those games, id be playing them. but right now, I wanna play dust. got a problem with that? Are you serious? Killing infantry with a plc is one of the hardest thing to do in this game... Definitely not the kind of this the average bleberry can do
Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity.
GÿåTank driverGÿå
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
1131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:44:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I like it... But will scouts be able to carry em too? :(
I don't see why not |
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