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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 450	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:51:00 - [1] - Quote i have collected the burning husks of the following tanks 3 Railgun Gunnlogis 2 railgun Sicas 1 blaster Sica 6 blaster Somas 1 rail Soma 1 Blaster Madrugar thats 14 tanks in as many games my fit? i just added AV ganades to my demolitions class and ran around with REs + STD packed AV while occasionally switching to my prox class at a supply depot to lay some traps or running around with both explosive types. i think i have identified the "imbalance" that the AV infantry are complaining about, before in 1.6 you slaughtered a tank, you downright said "ima kill you" and it was game for all but the best tankers. so tankers for the last 6 months have been fighting against this and have learned to tank VERY carefully, while AV infantry have learned to stand their groud and shoot from a stationary position the moment they see the tank. this has made tankers VERY tactics minded, always watching their position, always planning their escape. and it has made AV infantry soft as none of them had to develop any sort of tactics or stratagy to killing tanks, it was a simple point, shoot, dead situation. the problem AV infantry have no is that they actually have to FIGHT tanks, and tanks can actually come out on top! AV isnt the IWIN button it once was, and now that AV infantry have to work for the kill they are throwing in the towel. i diddnt really enjoy slaughtering tanks as infantry in 1.6 despite how easy it was. now i have to actually FIGHT the tank, use my head and put the same amount of effort into killing it as the person in the drivers seat is trying to stay alive. in short, AV infantry you need to actually FIGHT tanks now so stop your QQ and start using your head, because im managing jsut fine without even skilling into proper AV. i had ALOT of fun duking it out with rolling metal killing machines, sometimes coming out on top, sometimes getting killed, and sometimes just maiming tanks. i enjoy fighting tanks now as its a battle of wits "can i out think this tank? where am i going to attack from? where is the tank going to go next? where is the tanks escape route?"
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 450	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:59:00 - [2] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: I heard you could just plop some RE's on a LAV and ram a tank. Is this true? If so i have a LAV blueprint and i'm not afraid to use it. its true but it isnt any fun, i did it ONCE a few days ago to see how it worked so i could inform my tanker friends how to counter it and i refuse to do it anymore. it wasnt any fun. just like how i shoot a warning shot at assault dropship pilots to tell them to move on to another base rather then just shooting them out of the air.... its just no fun having an instant "iwin" button
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 450	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:05:00 - [3] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: I heard you could just plop some RE's on a LAV and ram a tank. Is this true? If so i have a LAV blueprint and i'm not afraid to use it. its true but it isnt any fun, i did it ONCE a few days ago to see how it worked so i could inform my tanker friends how to counter it and i refuse to do it anymore. it wasnt any fun. just like how i shoot a warning shot at assault dropship pilots to tell them to move on to another base rather then just shooting them out of the air.... its just no fun having an instant "iwin" button But suicide ramming a tank in a LAV filled with explosives sounds like sooo much fun! instant "IWIN" buttons are never fun.... tanks no skill, takes no real effort....
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 451	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:19:00 - [4] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Shotty Go Bang hit me with the RE to the car the other day. I tried it once but unfortunately the tank was looking at me when I drove up. A couple of shots and I went boom. As far as playing AV, I just skilled into Assault Forges and I'm having a pretty good time ******* up tanks and derpships. a scout with AV nades, remotes and a plasma cannon is a tank destroying machine i bet. i was doing well with just 2 of the 3 but the ability to sneak up AND having an actual AV primary will probably increase my odds by quite alot. Plasma cannons wreak tanks BTW, hell i killed a weakened tank (not counted above) with a 20gj rail turret on my LAV....
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 451	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:09:00 - [5] - Quote 8213 wrote: Do you not see a problem? You destroyed 14 tanks in how many games? 14! Since when was there 14 tanks to be destroyed in a whole day?? FORTEEN! You can kill all the clown car tankers you want, they can just keep calling in more & more because they're cheaper than dropsuits. And you can't kill a top tanker right now in 1.7. Tanking once took skill. Now anybody can tank and make money and rack points. so your complaint is that people are using tanks.... rather then them being unkillable... its not rediculas that there are tanks on the field... thats kinda the point of having them in a game... there is no problem whatsoever with tanks being used. the most kills on the same tanker i got through the day was 2, they stopped calling in their tanks after that.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 454	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:43:00 - [6] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: 8213 wrote: Do you not see a problem? You destroyed 14 tanks in how many games? 14! Since when was there 14 tanks to be destroyed in a whole day?? FORTEEN! You can kill all the clown car tankers you want, they can just keep calling in more & more because they're cheaper than dropsuits. And you can't kill a top tanker right now in 1.7. Tanking once took skill. Now anybody can tank and make money and rack points. so your complaint is that people are using tanks.... rather then them being unkillable... its not rediculas that there are tanks on the field... thats kinda the point of having them in a game... there is no problem whatsoever with tanks being used. the most kills on the same tanker i got through the day was 2, they stopped calling in their tanks after that. I killed 7 in one game pre 1.7 w/ my corpmates. I killed 5 in one game more times than I can count post 1.7 As a corp/squad we've killed 12 in one game. 12! At 75k ISK a pop, tanks just keep filing in because its cost effective to use them over a decent dropsuit. Tanks have gone from skilled to just cheap spam... and what do we get for killing them? Less ISK, more risk. Im a tanker. The best tank I ever built was a 1.7 Soma... I bought 10 of them last Tuesday and so far only lost 3(all to rail turrets) through Thursday(I haven't played since then). But I know Im an exception. Because Im a good AVer and Tanker(they go hand in hand). the price drop and the speed are the only valid complaints ive heard from anyone on the forums to be honest. and yes i do believe they are too cheap for what they are, the power of the item itself feels pretty close to right though, maybe a slight AV buff is in order (very slight)
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 459	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:59:00 - [7] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i have collected the burning husks of the following tanks 3 Railgun Gunnlogis 2 railgun Sicas 1 blaster Sica 6 blaster Somas 1 rail Soma 1 Blaster Madrugar thats 14 tanks in as many games my fit? i just added AV ganades to my demolitions class and ran around with REs + STD packed AV while occasionally switching to my prox class at a supply depot to lay some traps or running around with both explosive types. i think i have identified the "imbalance" that the AV infantry are complaining about, before in 1.6 you slaughtered a tank, you downright said "ima kill you" and it was game for all but the best tankers. so tankers for the last 6 months have been fighting against this and have learned to tank VERY carefully, while AV infantry have learned to stand their groud and shoot from a stationary position the moment they see the tank. this has made tankers VERY tactics minded, always watching their position, always planning their escape. and it has made AV infantry soft as none of them had to develop any sort of tactics or stratagy to killing tanks, it was a simple point, shoot, dead situation. the problem AV infantry have no is that they actually have to FIGHT tanks, and tanks can actually come out on top! AV isnt the IWIN button it once was, and now that AV infantry have to work for the kill they are throwing in the towel. i diddnt really enjoy slaughtering tanks as infantry in 1.6 despite how easy it was. now i have to actually FIGHT the tank, use my head and put the same amount of effort into killing it as the person in the drivers seat is trying to stay alive. in short, AV infantry you need to actually FIGHT tanks now so stop your QQ and start using your head, because im managing jsut fine without even skilling into proper AV. i had ALOT of fun duking it out with rolling metal killing machines, sometimes coming out on top, sometimes getting killed, and sometimes just maiming tanks. i enjoy fighting tanks now as its a battle of wits "can i out think this tank? where am i going to attack from? where is the tank going to go next? where is the tanks escape route?" lol he ran up to 14 tanks driven by scrubs, used RE and set them off with AV nades and calls it a AV fit that is viable i did it with something that SHOULDNT work.... imagin what i could do if i actually had SP spent in AV weapons.... the fit only really works on the post 1.7 tankers (the new ones) as the rest dont let anything get that close to them so all those tankers were less then a week old and new to the whole thing. poor guys. i also had to manually detonate the remotes for some reason
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 459	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:58:00 - [8] - Quote plasma cannon was a little more lackluster then i thought it would be.... still going to give it a go though :P
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 461	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:56:00 - [9] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: PLC is little more then supplemental damage on tanks, any tanker that gets taken down by a lone PLC deserves the tank loss. i have noticed that. in tight cities its decent at getting the tank out of the city but no destruction with the PLC yet.... new to other forms of AV... im a remote explosives vetren though so i think theres a skill gap im not used to preventing me from really getting the most out of the PLC.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 464	Posted - 2013.12.16 12:26:00 - [10] - Quote Nonoriri ko wrote: Can someone with a good friend put explosives under a dropship, then fly that dropship and touch own on a tank with hardeners on? I would love to hear someone did it. doesnt detonate the explosives, you have to do it by hand

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