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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:47:00 -
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I've made some posts, they're long, not many people read them, so this one is short.
One of the best things this game can have when it comes to balancing AV and Vehicles (All Vehicles) are Webifiers, things that slow vehicles down to a crawl, mines, grenades, handheld equipment, I'm not fussed on how it's done but this is what is needed, no nerfing, no buffing, but webs to stop a vehicle from escaping a bombardment of AV when its hardeners have dropped.
If everyone agrees on it and we demand it as much as we can, who knows, maybe it'll come soon and it'll sort out this massive issue with balance.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:57:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:Where it will go and how it functions will play a very important aspect.
if it is a grenade then a single person can possibly solo AV. If it is a light weapon, AV teams would be needed. Although if it were a light weapon that worked on infantry as well that would be interesting. To compensate for your lack of a ability to deal damage of any kind you can hit infantry with it as a self-defense tactic, it would greatly hinder their turning and movement speed which would allow you to get away. To make sure it isn't abused give it a cool-down period where you can't switch weapons.
Otherwise you would just have a FOTM where you would webify then switch to a sidearm for the kill.
Chances are it wouldn't affect Infantry, also I'd see it as Grenades or Equipment, not a weapon.
Grenades
Mines
Device you aim and have to keep on them
Things like this.
It'd be a support weapon and you don't need to be punished for using it, I don't see a point in having it hinder players using it, the whole point is to make it so players who use it do get a chance to solo vehicles in 1v1s. Think about it, let's say that add in Remote Web Mines, you wait on a hill as a tank drives along and then activate it, you waited, you should reap the kill, but chances are that guy now has his actives on and will flee. Promotes teamwork, but add the option of soloing.
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Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:59:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:I've made some posts, they're long, not many people read them, so this one is short.
One of the best things this game can have when it comes to balancing AV and Vehicles (All Vehicles) are Webifiers, things that slow vehicles down to a crawl, mines, grenades, handheld equipment, I'm not fussed on how it's done but this is what is needed, no nerfing, no buffing, but webs to stop a vehicle from escaping a bombardment of AV when its hardeners have dropped.
If everyone agrees on it and we demand it as much as we can, who knows, maybe it'll come soon and it'll sort out this massive issue with balance. ok then, give the tanks the ability to freeze infantry annything within 30m.
Why the **** would we need that? Haven't you been crying that Tanks are too strong? We have near invincibility for a period of time and you want something else in return for AVers slowing you down for a period of time? Webs don't mean you're stuck forever, they're like a debuff on your vehicle for a certain amount of time.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:05:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: Give it a 30 meter range, make it a equipment. Lock on similar to a swarm, and fire at said vehicle. vehicle is now slowed for X amount of time. After period is over, the equipment has to cooldown. Make a vehicle version of this as well that's slightly stronger, or longer range, or longer duration/shorter cooldown, or a mix.
Disagree on a Vehicle one, makes us a jack of ALL the things, means if we're trying to deal with hit and run tanks we just need to activate a module to keep it from running. Keeping it to Infantry only, means we can still use them to setup traps if we're using mines, if that's a form they take, but we can work with AVers to bring speedy tanks down (Ahem, Minmatar junkers).
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Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:12:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:This sounds like it will either be OP as hell or useless as anything.
Please, elaborate?
Everyones crying at Tanks for escaping, and I feel them, I run away easily. Let's pretend Web Mines were the approach taken within DUST, Remote controlled that if they hit, slow me down for 15 seconds (think something blocking my treads or something :D )
Being the smart Tanker I am, I have 30 seconds of Hardener, I roll up, shoot the Infantry, leave with 5 seconds of my Hardener left. I get away totally fine taking no damage.
However, a smart AVer has noticed that I am doing this and leaving with my Hardeners on, meaning they cannot kill me because I'm a smart Tanker, so he hides by the road I'm on, waits for me to drive back past him as I head back to the objective. He places remotes down on the path I'm going to take.
I, the smart Tanker I think I am get several more kills and get hit by another barrage of swarms, 5 seconds of hardener left as I begin to retreat. The smart AVer activates his Webs and waits for a few more seconds, I cry out in a panic, my hardeners drop, the swarms that were meant to not hit me because I'd be far away hit me because I can barely move, the Smart AVer moves in with Flux Grenades and Swarms to finish the job because I can't escape, I also can't turn my tank fast which means I have to rely on my slow rotation on my turret.
I end up on the map, crying hard because I got beat by a smart player.
Roger Cordill wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: Give it a 30 meter range, make it a equipment. Lock on similar to a swarm, and fire at said vehicle. vehicle is now slowed for X amount of time. After period is over, the equipment has to cooldown. Make a vehicle version of this as well that's slightly stronger, or longer range, or longer duration/shorter cooldown, or a mix. Disagree on a Vehicle one, makes us a jack of ALL the things, means if we're trying to deal with hit and run tanks we just need to activate a module to keep it from running. Keeping it to Infantry only, means we can still use them to setup traps if we're using mines, if that's a form they take, but we can work with AVers to bring speedy tanks down (Ahem, Minmatar junkers). message from Godin: Easier to hide with the infantry one for ambushes, and allows for tackling in vehicle warfare. Just make it have high requirements, and it'll be fine.
Would have to be balanced a fair bit for the requirements to make you need to use weaker turrets, or not as good modules, can't have the ability to freeze vehicles in place and still be able to wreck with a proto rail ya know?
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:23:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Sounds cool, an Infantry V Infantry function would be needed though.
While it'd be cool, also Godin's idea of Vehicle v Vehicle webs, I think CCP should look at just AV v Vehicles to get the job and balance done, and then work on integrating it within Inf v Inf and Vehicle v Vehicle.
Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:
If everyone agrees on it and we demand it as much as we can, who knows, maybe it'll be rushed and cause an even more massive imbalance (If they even work, if you remember the original active scanners)
Fixed that for you.
You have to ruin everything xD
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 20:28:00 -
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ewaaaaaar pls ccp
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:05:00 -
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pls?
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