DUST Search - 1.7 thus far - a bittervet review

Paran Tadec wrote:

THE GOOD

New rifles. I knew I would love the combat rifle right from the first burst, so I proto'd them out after my first game. Aim assist .appears toned down some so I tried the ds3 again and I love it now. For the first time in a long time combat feels more tactical. Unfortunately there is one issue, see below.Thanks CCP. (KBM controls are still crap)

THE BAD

Rifles are soo good noone uses anything else. Dont see smgs mass drivers or LOL plasma cannon, and if you do they die pretty quick. MD is much more situational now, good for clearing a position but thats about it.

The new moods and background stuff are cool, they just need to be better definition. the volcano looks like a neon orange blob. :/

THE UGLY

AV/Vehicle balance. Its just not right. I've been running my proto swarms and trying out militia tanks. Even with multiple proto swarms on the field dropships easily get away, as do tanks and lavs. Swarms simply do not work. The lock range is far too short to be effective and CPM members have expressed the same to me. Currently swarm launcher sp is wasted. On the other hand, forge is still really good. As a tank I've been able to dodge all but the best forge gunners. Activate hardeners and gtfo usually works unless Im in a confined area. Unfortunately though, the only real way to kill a tank currently is with another tank and this is how most of my tank deaths have occured. Swarms, even without hardeners on, dont do that much damage. I suggest giving them a little bit more damage and range.

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Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1748	Posted - 2013.12.15 15:56:00 - [1] - Quote THE GOOD New rifles. I knew I would love the combat rifle right from the first burst, so I proto'd them out after my first game. Aim assist appears toned down some so I tried the ds3 again and I love it now. For the first time in a long time combat feels more tactical. Unfortunately there is one issue, see below.Thanks CCP. (KBM controls are still crap) THE BAD Rifles are soo good noone uses anything else. Dont see smgs mass drivers or LOL plasma cannon, and if you do they die pretty quick. MD is much more situational now, good for clearing a position but thats about it. The new moods and background stuff are cool, they just need to be better definition. the volcano looks like a neon orange blob. :/ THE UGLY AV/Vehicle balance. Its just not right. I've been running my proto swarms and trying out militia tanks. Even with multiple proto swarms on the field dropships easily get away, as do tanks and lavs. Swarms simply do not work. The lock range is far too short to be effective and CPM members have expressed the same to me. Currently swarm launcher sp is wasted. On the other hand, forge is still really good. As a tank I've been able to dodge all but the best forge gunners. Activate hardeners and gtfo usually works unless Im in a confined area. Unfortunately though, the only real way to kill a tank currently is with another tank and this is how most of my tank deaths have occured. Swarms, even without hardeners on, dont do that much damage. I suggest giving them a little bit more damage and range. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 507	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:37:00 - [2] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: THE GOOD New rifles. I knew I would love the combat rifle right from the first burst, so I proto'd them out after my first game. Aim assist .appears toned down some so I tried the ds3 again and I love it now. For the first time in a long time combat feels more tactical. Unfortunately there is one issue, see below.Thanks CCP. (KBM controls are still crap) THE BAD Rifles are soo good noone uses anything else. Dont see smgs mass drivers or LOL plasma cannon, and if you do they die pretty quick. MD is much more situational now, good for clearing a position but thats about it. The new moods and background stuff are cool, they just need to be better definition. the volcano looks like a neon orange blob. :/ THE UGLY AV/Vehicle balance. Its just not right. I've been running my proto swarms and trying out militia tanks. Even with multiple proto swarms on the field dropships easily get away, as do tanks and lavs. Swarms simply do not work. The lock range is far too short to be effective and CPM members have expressed the same to me. Currently swarm launcher sp is wasted. On the other hand, forge is still really good. As a tank I've been able to dodge all but the best forge gunners. Activate hardeners and gtfo usually works unless Im in a confined area. Unfortunately though, the only real way to kill a tank currently is with another tank and this is how most of my tank deaths have occured. Swarms, even without hardeners on, dont do that much damage. I suggest giving them a little bit more damage and range. Good breakdown and I understand your perspective on these points. Some points from my perspective: Rifles: much needed adds. With all four rifles on the field you now see a bit of what racial parity looks like and how it effects playstyles. Lack of other weapons on the field: I think you are right but that doesn't mean those weapon roles are obsolete. I think the MD is primed for a resurgence and the PC can be a viable AV weapon. As for the vehicles: I think the HAV cost needs to go up a bit. I really like the "waves of opportunity" concept but tanks are exploiting this with some bugs and the huge nerf to AV. If the bugs are fixed and cost of tanks go up I can live with this. Would be nice if they awarded SP based on vehicle damage though. Dropships...different story; I think they desperately need to introduce a anti-aircraft Swarm variant that has extended lock on and missile speed but no uplift in damage and not allow it to lock onto ground targets (turrets, LAV, HAV).
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2647	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:49:00 - [3] - Quote Yup, that volcano isn't impressive enough to be trying to attract our attention like that. No.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1276	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:00:00 - [4] - Quote Am I the only person who still hasent seen the volcano mood yet? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2647	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:15:00 - [5] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Am I the only person who still hasent seen the volcano mood yet? You might not even have noticed it. If it's behind your home spawn you could go the entire match without looking in its direction. No.
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:30:00 - [6] - Quote I still use the MD.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11286	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:38:00 - [7] - Quote caldari city backdrop vastly under textured CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Rail and Combat Rifle =// Unlocked
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 82	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:41:00 - [8] - Quote Swarms are fine people, just cant brainlessly kill tanks with them anymore. Snap some RE's on that pig drop an AV nade, swarm launch, swarm launch, tank runs, RE detonation, add all this with the brains NOT to hit them while glowing with invulnerbility, you have one tank puddle and ready for another. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4163	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:47:00 - [9] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Am I the only person who still hasent seen the volcano mood yet? You might not even have noticed it. If it's behind your home spawn you could go the entire match without looking in its direction. its pretty similar to the sunset mood, i mean i spawned in a match and said "has anyone seen the new volcano mood?" squadmate responded "we're in it" i called bullshit because it was practically the sunset mood, he told me to turn around. and there the volcano was. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:51:00 - [10] - Quote I tried playing with my SMG like I had pre 1.7. I died. A lot. Its range couldn't stand up to the new rifles. I used to rely on omniscient installations for scanning since I am a minja and can't scan for shyte, so now I have no way to get in close to use the smg or nova knife before my paper armor is riddled with bullets. So I had to give in and go CR Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.

Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 170	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:54:00 - [11] - Quote MD really situational now, you can still do a good job with the boundless or ec-3, but slaying with an exo or freedom is kinda meh, it's a spam area weapon only atm Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 979	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:59:00 - [12] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: THE GOOD New rifles. I knew I would love the combat rifle right from the first burst, so I proto'd them out after my first game. Aim assist appears toned down some so I tried the ds3 again and I love it now. For the first time in a long time combat feels more tactical. Unfortunately there is one issue, see below.Thanks CCP. (KBM controls are still crap) THE BAD Rifles are soo good noone uses anything else. Dont see smgs mass drivers or LOL plasma cannon, and if you do they die pretty quick. MD is much more situational now, good for clearing a position but thats about it. The new moods and background stuff are cool, they just need to be better definition. the volcano looks like a neon orange blob. :/ THE UGLY AV/Vehicle balance. Its just not right. I've been running my proto swarms and trying out militia tanks. Even with multiple proto swarms on the field dropships easily get away, as do tanks and lavs. Swarms simply do not work. The lock range is far too short to be effective and CPM members have expressed the same to me. Currently swarm launcher sp is wasted. On the other hand, forge is still really good. As a tank I've been able to dodge all but the best forge gunners. Activate hardeners and gtfo usually works unless Im in a confined area. Unfortunately though, the only real way to kill a tank currently is with another tank and this is how most of my tank deaths have occured. Swarms, even without hardeners on, dont do that much damage. I suggest giving them a little bit more damage and range. new eden tourbus stops tourbus guide says and right here died the last known laser user.......... tourbus guide says and to your left is the HMG museum .......... Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.


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