DUST Search - The Vehicle Revamp, Pt.3

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

Why Turrets, Aren't They Just Fine?
No, sir, they are not. In fact, they're broken. Small Railguns are sad, and Large Blasters are king. Why is this so? Because CCP thought it would be a good idea to make one type of turret good for AV, one good for AP, and one in between, regardless of size. Large Turrets (specifically, Blasters) are performing too well, and Small Turrets (especially Railguns) simply can't compete.

How Do You Fix The Problem?
Elementary, my dear Watson! Make their role dependent on size.

Tracking Improvements
Currently, there's only one tracking speed, which determines how fast you can turn your turrets. Instead, I propose there are two tracking speeds: Optimal and Maximum. Maximum Tracking Speed would be the equivalent of the current tracking speed. Optimal Tracking Speed, however, determines how fast a turret can track before it loses accuracy. If a turret tracks faster than it's Optimal Tracking Speed, it's "spread" increases, making it less accurate. The more it goes over its tracking speed, the worse the spread becomes. The spread slowly returns to normal if you stop tracking above Optimal Tracking Speed.

Long-range turrets have less spread, but slower tracking speeds.
Short-range turrets have more spread, but faster tracking speeds.

Small Turrets
Primarily for Anti-Infantry usage. Small Turrets have very high tracking speeds and rate of fire, but lowered range and reduced damage (especially against vehicles).

Medium Turrets
For Anti-Infantry and Anti-Vehicle usage. Medium Turrets have moderate tracking speeds, rate of fire, range and damage. For those who want it all.

Large Turrets
Primarily for Anti-Vehicle usage. Large Turrets have low tracking speeds and poor rate of fire, but have increased range and can deal massive damage, even against vehicles.

Hybrid Turrets
Blasters and Railguns have moderate Optimal and Maximum Tracking Speeds.

Laser Turrets
Beam and Pulse Lasers have high Optimal Tracking Speeds, but low Maximum Tracking Speeds.

Projectile Turrets
Autocannons and Artillery have low Optimal Tracking Speeds, but high Maximum Tracking Speeds.

Missile Turrets
Launchers are unique. They have high Optimal and Maximum Tracking Speeds, but their projectiles take longer to reach their target. Small Missile Turrets fire quick projectiles with relatively high splash damage but low direct damage, Medium Missile Turrets fire projectiles with moderate velocity and moderate splash and direct damage, and Large Turrets fire slow projectiles with relatively low splash damage but high direct damage.

Part 1 - Capacitor
Part 2 - Electronic Warfare
Part 3 - Turrets <--- You Are Here
Part 4 - LAVs (Coming Soon)

Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway

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Ulysses Knapse duna corp 735	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:16:00 - [1] - Quote Why Turrets, Aren't They Just Fine? No, sir, they are not. In fact, they're broken. Small Railguns are sad, and Large Blasters are king. Why is this so? Because CCP thought it would be a good idea to make one type of turret good for AV, one good for AP, and one in between, regardless of size. Large Turrets (specifically, Blasters) are performing too well, and Small Turrets (especially Railguns) simply can't compete. How Do You Fix The Problem? Elementary, my dear Watson! Make their role dependent on size. Tracking Improvements Currently, there's only one tracking speed, which determines how fast you can turn your turrets. Instead, I propose there are two tracking speeds: Optimal and Maximum. Maximum Tracking Speed would be the equivalent of the current tracking speed. Optimal Tracking Speed, however, determines how fast a turret can track before it loses accuracy. If a turret tracks faster than it's Optimal Tracking Speed, it's "spread" increases, making it less accurate. The more it goes over its tracking speed, the worse the spread becomes. The spread slowly returns to normal if you stop tracking above Optimal Tracking Speed. Long-range turrets have less spread, but slower tracking speeds. Short-range turrets have more spread, but faster tracking speeds. Small Turrets Primarily for Anti-Infantry usage. Small Turrets have very high tracking speeds and rate of fire, but lowered range and reduced damage (especially against vehicles). Medium Turrets For Anti-Infantry and Anti-Vehicle usage. Medium Turrets have moderate tracking speeds, rate of fire, range and damage. For those who want it all. Large Turrets Primarily for Anti-Vehicle usage. Large Turrets have low tracking speeds and poor rate of fire, but have increased range and can deal massive damage, even against vehicles. Hybrid Turrets Blasters and Railguns have moderate Optimal and Maximum Tracking Speeds. Laser Turrets Beam and Pulse Lasers have high Optimal Tracking Speeds, but low Maximum Tracking Speeds. Projectile Turrets Autocannons and Artillery have low Optimal Tracking Speeds, but high Maximum Tracking Speeds. Missile Turrets Launchers are unique. They have high Optimal and Maximum Tracking Speeds, but their projectiles take longer to reach their target. Small Missile Turrets fire quick projectiles with relatively high splash damage but low direct damage, Medium Missile Turrets fire projectiles with moderate velocity and moderate splash and direct damage, and Large Turrets fire slow projectiles with relatively low splash damage but high direct damage. Part 1 - Capacitor Part 2 - Electronic Warfare Part 3 - Turrets <--- You Are Here Part 4 - LAVs (Coming Soon) Humanity is the personification of change.
Samael Artico Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:42:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, this is an excellent idea, my good friend Ulysses.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 762	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:11:00 - [3] - Quote Bump. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 31	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:32:00 - [4] - Quote Would this be similar to a crosshairs for the turret? In the same way that the crosshairs increase in spread while you run with a weapon, the 'crosshairs' of the turret increase while you track over the optimal speed?
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 763	Posted - 2013.12.16 05:33:00 - [5] - Quote Faunher wrote: Would this be similar to a crosshairs for the turret? In the same way that the crosshairs increase in spread while you run with a weapon, the 'crosshairs' of the turret increase while you track over the optimal speed? Yes, that's the basic idea. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 817	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:30:00 - [6] - Quote Bump. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1546	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:24:00 - [7] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Why Turrets, Aren't They Just Fine? No, sir, they are not. In fact, they're broken. Small Railguns are sad, and Large Blasters are king. Why is this so? Because CCP thought it would be a good idea to make one type of turret good for AV, one good for AP, and one in between, regardless of size. Large Turrets (specifically, Blasters) are performing too well, and Small Turrets (especially Railguns) simply can't compete. How Do You Fix The Problem? Elementary, my dear Watson! Make their role dependent on size. Tracking Improvements Currently, there's only one tracking speed, which determines how fast you can turn your turrets. Instead, I propose there are two tracking speeds: Optimal and Maximum. Maximum Tracking Speed would be the equivalent of the current tracking speed. Optimal Tracking Speed, however, determines how fast a turret can track before it loses accuracy. If a turret tracks faster than it's Optimal Tracking Speed, it's "spread" increases, making it less accurate. The more it goes over its tracking speed, the worse the spread becomes. The spread slowly returns to normal if you stop tracking above Optimal Tracking Speed. Long-range turrets have less spread, but slower tracking speeds. Short-range turrets have more spread, but faster tracking speeds. Small Turrets Primarily for Anti-Infantry usage. Small Turrets have very high tracking speeds and rate of fire, but lowered range and reduced damage (especially against vehicles). Medium Turrets For Anti-Infantry and Anti-Vehicle usage. Medium Turrets have moderate tracking speeds, rate of fire, range and damage. For those who want it all. Large Turrets Primarily for Anti-Vehicle usage. Large Turrets have low tracking speeds and poor rate of fire, but have increased range and can deal massive damage, even against vehicles. Hybrid Turrets Blasters and Railguns have moderate Optimal and Maximum Tracking Speeds. Laser Turrets Beam and Pulse Lasers have high Optimal Tracking Speeds, but low Maximum Tracking Speeds. Projectile Turrets Autocannons and Artillery have low Optimal Tracking Speeds, but high Maximum Tracking Speeds. Missile Turrets Launchers are unique. They have high Optimal and Maximum Tracking Speeds, but their projectiles take longer to reach their target. Small Missile Turrets fire quick projectiles with relatively high splash damage but low direct damage, Medium Missile Turrets fire projectiles with moderate velocity and moderate splash and direct damage, and Large Turrets fire slow projectiles with relatively low splash damage but high direct damage. Part 1 - Capacitor Part 2 - Electronic Warfare Part 3 - Turrets <--- You Are Here Part 4 - LAVs (Coming Soon) Do you even tank? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 842	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:26:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Do you even tank? On occasion, yes. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 915	Posted - 2013.12.29 06:20:00 - [9] - Quote Take a look at the Plasma Cannon. It's capable of one-shotting almost any dropsuit, and it does a moderate amount of splash damage, but it's not overpowered because it's not easy to hit infantry with it, and it isn't able to fire at infantry continuously. If we make Large Turrets similar to the Plasma Cannon in that regard (not entirely, but with similar concepts), I think the balance of the game would certainly improve. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
The-Errorist Closed For Business For All Mankind 430	Posted - 2013.12.29 10:42:00 - [10] - Quote Awesome suggestion.

Severus Smith Caldari State 488	Posted - 2013.12.31 14:52:00 - [11] - Quote Medium Turrets now please. Would fix so many problems...
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 952	Posted - 2014.01.01 12:34:00 - [12] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Awesome suggestion. I agree with this man right here! What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 626	Posted - 2014.01.01 13:02:00 - [13] - Quote Have you even used a small railgun? They are beast. compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1931	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:43:00 - [14] - Quote I do like this A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 231	Posted - 2014.01.02 10:50:00 - [15] - Quote This is what the real pilots want "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 336	Posted - 2014.01.02 11:11:00 - [16] - Quote Good post as usual.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 138	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:05:00 - [17] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Have you even used a small railgun? They are beast. They could do with a little buff honestly. Fear my Minmatari brothers.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 277	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:26:00 - [18] - Quote This is the best of your posts and does a great job of outlining a solid, consistent philosophy for vehicle weaponry that makes a lot of sense. Well done! The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Jackoun Amarthon Federation Foreign Fighters 10	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:37:00 - [19] - Quote Also. Medium Turrets would be ideal for the MAV's which will be the anti-infantry vehicle of choise in my eyes. Not the gallente HAV Good suguestions indeed. you have my +1 Help me improve faction warfare: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134049&find=unread
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1088	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:23:00 - [20] - Quote Bump. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.

Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 103	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:06:00 - [21] - Quote I tank at times, used to be Gunship pilot also but stopped doing both before 1.7 because too expensive, also still have plenty of tankers in corp, this in my opinion makes pretty good sense. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1171	Posted - 2014.01.29 08:30:00 - [22] - Quote Bump. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
The-Errorist 495	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:59:00 - [23] - Quote Do you want more snow?


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