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Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:24:00 -
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Great update, i like the presence a TANK now has on the battlefield, as it should. A tank should come in and run infantry out, that is why tanks were invented in the first place. The next step in tanking would have to be without question is requiring multiple operators to operate one tank. One operator running the battlefield with a tank turning on his god mode (hardeners) anytime he meets AV in my opinion is no different than giving one rifle complete run of the roost. require at least two operators to at a minimum drive and operate the main turret.
The next step to introducing a new dynamic to the battlefield would be... wait for it.... Artillery. A Non Line Of Sight weapon, I know blah blah we have turrets, blah blah. The idea is to have a means of hitting not just infantry but Vehicles without prior warning other than a warning that "enemy artillery is covering the area." Artillery can be pre-placed on certain maps and require a minimum skill to operate. Artillery would pack a punch and would carry different munitions depending on the skill of the operator and require scans by fellow teammates to acquire targets. Very limited ammo, requiring friendly scans, and requiring a minimum skill level may help keep this balanced on the battlefield. Not to mention making the actual piece itself a "glass cannon" with low survivability.
*would not be mobile but fixed.
*would require friendly scans to fire
*would fire one round per shot
*would reload every 15-20 seconds
*would have low hp
*would require minimum skill to operate
*would do devastating direct hit damage
*splash damage would depend on munition used
*would require operator to fire
*operator would have to bring artillery online before use |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:26:00 -
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no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all.
Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry.
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Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:29:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all.
Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
115
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:31:00 -
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I like the idea but it's not feasible to always have a gunner for the Large turret, or whatever you mean. It's hard enough getting a top gunner that does their job, and not shoot your tank.
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
455
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:32:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
I wish i could give that a thousand likes, the tankers hate that simple logic though and cry the loudest around here. |
Agent Monroe
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:35:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
This isn't real life this is the future where a Titan Class Capital ship is controlled by a single person why would it be that hard for a Tank driver. The fact our small turrets aren't automatically firing on hostiles is because it would be OP.
Yes I know Eve ships have a crew, but the main functions are controlled by the Capsuleer. (thought I should add before somebody tried to call me out or something)
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ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:37:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:38:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:I like the idea but it's not feasible to always have a gunner for the Large turret, or whatever you mean. It's hard enough getting a top gunner that does their job, and not shoot your tank.
If tanks required a gunner for the large turret then tankers would find a way, tanks should be hard to kill. but 16 v16 should require two or three of those 16 players dedicating themselves to a tank if called out. not 16 v 15 + tank, there's no balance there. |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:39:00 -
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Agent Monroe wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This isn't real life this is the future where a Titan Class Capital ship is controlled by a single person why would it be that hard for a Tank driver. The fact our small turrets aren't automatically firing on hostiles is because it would be OP. Yes I know Eve ships have a crew, but the main functions are controlled by the Capsuleer. (thought I should add before somebody tried to call me out or something)
They have crews.... all you needed to say in that statment |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:42:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both
If i could run up on 10 -15 enemys and start shooting and killing and only have to worry when the spawn back in with their special weapon that is designed for killing me. then maybe, oh and hope they've skilled to proto on that special weapon to take out my militia gear...MiLiTiA GeAr....MILITIA GEAR........just saying |
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ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
24
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:43:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Agent Monroe wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This isn't real life this is the future where a Titan Class Capital ship is controlled by a single person why would it be that hard for a Tank driver. The fact our small turrets aren't automatically firing on hostiles is because it would be OP. Yes I know Eve ships have a crew, but the main functions are controlled by the Capsuleer. They dont have crews....but i dumb
then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both |
ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
24
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:45:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both If i could run up on 10 -15 enemys and start shooting and killing and only have to worry when the spawn back in with their special weapon that is designed for killing me. then maybe, oh and hope they've skilled to proto on that special weapon to take out my militia gear...MiLiTiA GeAr....MILITIA GEAR........just saying
then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both, balance |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:46:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both If i could run up on 10 -15 enemys and start shooting and killing and only have to worry when the spawn back in with their special weapon that is designed for killing me. then maybe, oh and hope they've skilled to proto on that special weapon to take out my militia gear...MiLiTiA GeAr....MILITIA GEAR........just saying then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both, balance
you mean my mlt tank that i just bought put hardeners and extenders on and went 39-0 on my first match tanking... ever, balance my a**. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
282
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:47:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
This game is based of eve,where one man can operate a titan
You're point is invalid
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
545
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:48:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Agent Monroe wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This isn't real life this is the future where a Titan Class Capital ship is controlled by a single person why would it be that hard for a Tank driver. The fact our small turrets aren't automatically firing on hostiles is because it would be OP. Yes I know Eve ships have a crew, but the main functions are controlled by the Capsuleer. They dont have crews....but i dumb then you have to have a blueberry shooting your proto suit's gun or moving it, you cant have both
Sure just make me immune to almost every weapon in the game, give me hardeners that make me invincible, allow my suit to move as fast as LAVs, and cut my Logi suit price down to Militia tank level. |
ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
24
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:51:00 -
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"iyou mean my mlt tank that i just bought put hardeners and extenders on and went 39-0 on my first match tanking... ever, balance my a**."
obviously a lie and thats a MLT tank problem, kid.
why you gotta lie? in eve 1 guy uses a ship |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:51:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This game is based of eve,where one man can operate a titan You're point is invalid
then i want to operate the turret on my LAV |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:53:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:"iyou mean my mlt tank that i just bought put hardeners and extenders on and went 39-0 on my first match tanking... ever, balance my a**."
obviously a lie and thats a MLT tank problem, kid.
why you gotta lie? in eve 1 guy uses a ship
well sir, it is not a lie and i have 5 squad mates to back that up, the following match i went 36-1 |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
248
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:53:00 -
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I have to agree and if one wants to make tanks even stronger then they could add another seat for the commander to make it so the tank requirs and would want a filled commander seat the commander would control the top small turret and be the only person with access to the third person view and possibly have access to target painting and scanning abilities and the likes possibly even they control the defencive stuff like hardeners and armor reps, while the gunner mans the main gun with a better zoom and possible vision modes like thermal, NV, even some strange futuristic stuff like the magnetic vision in ghost recon that allows you to find equipment and hostiles weapons through walls. Driver gets acces to mobility aids and the front turret slot and is limited to the foward camera no third person camera so they and the gunner rely on the commander for direction.
This has advantages for tanks beyond more possible slots due to the ammount of people and the scanners and stuff but the tank its self could now be balenced against 3 AV guys. |
ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
24
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:57:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:"iyou mean my mlt tank that i just bought put hardeners and extenders on and went 39-0 on my first match tanking... ever, balance my a**."
obviously a lie and thats a MLT tank problem, kid.
why you gotta lie? in eve 1 guy uses a ship well sir, it is not a lie and i have 5 squad mates to back that up, the following match i went 36-1
quit with the lies, or stop killing noobs out of academy |
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ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:59:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This game is based of eve,where one man can operate a titan You're point is invalid then i want to operate the turret on my LAV
thats different as the turret is meant for someone to hold it, LAV's aren't advanced tech |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:01:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:"iyou mean my mlt tank that i just bought put hardeners and extenders on and went 39-0 on my first match tanking... ever, balance my a**."
obviously a lie and thats a MLT tank problem, kid.
why you gotta lie? in eve 1 guy uses a ship well sir, it is not a lie and i have 5 squad mates to back that up, the following match i went 36-1 quit with the lies, or stop killing noobs out of academy
trying to hide the truth... hmm seems i may have hit a nerve, possibly showing the idiocracy that is one player owning a piece of equipment such as a MLT tank... |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
248
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:02:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This game is based of eve,where one man can operate a titan You're point is invalid
Eve is not a 16 v 16 lobby shooter in eve you can field as many people as required to deal with what ever it is but not only that a titan is fully crewed by none capsuleers so its not 1 man flying it its one capsuleer commanding the ship, but beyond that Titans require support as it has a hard time hitting smaller targets for some reason larger space fareing vessels in eve dont believe in using vast amounts of smaller turrets as a point defense against small ships(never did make sence to me apart from a balence prospective of course but if i were to make a ship i sure as hell wont give it a single or double (if you count Dooms and drones) weapon system |
Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
68
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:02:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. This game is based of eve,where one man can operate a titan You're point is invalid then i want to operate the turret on my LAV thats different as the turret is meant for someone to hold it, LAV's aren't advanced tech
obviously.... -_- |
ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:10:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:"iyou mean my mlt tank that i just bought put hardeners and extenders on and went 39-0 on my first match tanking... ever, balance my a**."
obviously a lie and thats a MLT tank problem, kid.
why you gotta lie? in eve 1 guy uses a ship well sir, it is not a lie and i have 5 squad mates to back that up, the following match i went 36-1 quit with the lies, or stop killing noobs out of academy trying to hide the truth... hmm seems i may have hit a nerve, possibly showing the idiocracy that is one player owning a piece of equipment such as a MLT tank...
im just irretated people like you suggest that crap, in eve 1 guy pilots a ship, this is the eve universe same rules apply |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
342
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:12:00 -
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I do believe that in an ideal game, having the tank drivig and shooting be operated by 2 people would be wonderful, keeps me from smashing into walls.
However we still need an Hav that can be operated by one person.
This game should have 2 'Hav' class vehicles, one that has less Hp, slots, and firepower, while only needing to be operated by one person minimum.
Then we have one that's slower, has about 20% more hp, and has one main gun, one Mid-size, and 2 smalls.
This 'hav' would be the one that can 'tank' Av fire for about 1-2 minutes straight, and would cost proportionally more.
Demanding that a vehicle operator require multiple people to have his role work in even the most basic of functions is preposterous.
However there should be penalty for wanting to run solo.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1284
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
Amen. The tankers are so quick to tell us that we should use teamwork, they should need to use it too.
If they don't require a gunner and a driver to run around pwning everything then we should be able to solo pwn everything too.
Teamwork required for all or teamwork required for none.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4170
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:27:00 -
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There's a valid balance-related reason to force drivers of tanks to operate the main gun. It gives tanks a blind spot, and forces the driver to choose between tracking a target or watching where they're going.
Making it easier to manage by splitting the job would actually make tanks significantly more powerful. The advantage of a fully-manned tank with 2 gunners is significant enough that it requires 3 - 4 good AV players (depending on relative tech level between the two). At the moment, a skilled HAV driver won't be killable in a practical sense when fighting a solo AV guy, but it's highly unlikely that the tank can actually kill the AV guy if he's even remotely competent, so the 1 vs. 1 scenario should actually end in a stalemate. The tank doesn't have a legitimate advantage against an AV soldier unless it has gunners.
If and when Advanced and Prototype HAVs show up, I'd like to see the PG/CPU values on MLT and STD models tuned downwards so that a full-Proto Madrugar or Gunnlogi is a less viable option. As long as we lack high-tier HAV hulls, at least close to the current capabilities are needed for tanks to have a fair chance against AV infantry. Before then, tanks probably need some more tweaks to be properly in line with the level they're meant to be at. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1647
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one.
RL =/= balance!!!!! You know that in eve, titans (12km long ships) are controlled by only ONE pilot.
Is it realistic? no.
Is it fun? yes.
Making AV an actual role
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ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
24
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:48:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:no. i am not having a gunner for my turret. just no. it's my tank and i control it all. Then you should have a driver for your tank. Either way you sir should not be given a tank and be allowed to own the field. they are not one man vehicle in real life nor should they be in this game. a team to take out a tank and a team to operate one. Amen. The tankers are so quick to tell us that we should use teamwork, they should need to use it too. If they don't require a gunner and a driver to run around pwning everything then we should be able to solo pwn everything too. Teamwork required for all or teamwork required for none.
make is so 1 person moves a av suit, and 1 person used the gun, balance |
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