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Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 20:04:00 -
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This thread is a review i wrote about FW and shows exactly how not worth it is to be at least fully committed to leveling to 10.I also go through the math to show you the TTL to level 10 and use the typical time you'll be in a skirmish as a rough estimate to measure your TTL to 10 if you played 3H/D and 6H/D in 20M - 30M long skirmish.There's also a small section on the rewards.
Levels 1-10: (typical skirmish 20M - 30M)
1 - 3 wins = 1H - 1H30M
2 - 6 wins = 2H - 3H
3 - 9 wins = 3h - 4H30M
4 - 15 wins = 5H - 7H30M
5 - 28 wins = 9H20M - 14H
6 - 45 wins = 15H - 22H30M
7 - 70 wins = 23H20M - 1D11H
8 - 100 wins = 1D9H20M - 2D2H
9 - 145 wins = 2D20M - 3D30M
10 - 200 wins = 2D18H40M - 4D4H
1-10 - 621 wins = 8D15H - 12D22H30M
Note:
This is only if you win all the time which is impossible to do and if you account in the losses your looking at less than double the TTL to level 10 fw of ONE race.
Lets assume you played 3 or 6 hours a day for the faction of your choice till your level ten, it would take:
3H/D = 69D - 105D12H = about 2 months and a week to about 3 months and a half with all wins
3H/D x2 for losses = 211D about 4 months and a half to about 7 month with wins and losses
Math for 3H/D:
621 * 20M = 12420M / 60M = 207H / 3H = 69D
621 * 30M = 18630M / 60M = 310.5H / 3H = 105D12H
6H/D = 34D12H - 51D18H = about 1 mounth and a half to about 2 months with all wins
6H/D x2 for losses = 10312H = about 3 months to about 4 months with wins and losses
Math for 6H/D:
621 * 20M = 12420M / 60M = 207H / 6H = 34D12H
621 * 30M = 18630M / 60M = 310.5H / 6h = 51D18H
The Rewards:
These are your loyalty points from a win/loss ,the salvage your gain through battle, the store bought items in exchange for your loyalty points, and your standing gain from a win.All these rewards are extremely low in exchange for not only your isk lost but also your time wasted in leveling to 10.If it where not for the TTL leveling to level 10 would be fun and not a quarter of a year to more than half a year chore.This problem stems from the fact you CAN'T make isk at all and from as you already know from the extremely long TTL chore that makes FW a grind loss to the player with an extremely cheap *cough* ccp *cough* faction.
Conclusion:
As it is now it is not worth running fw or at least not worth running fw with proto because the isk/time spent in exchange for the reward is not even worth the time spent to run fw for just ONE faction.My suggestion, increase standing reward payout and add standing payout to losses.Also, decrease the TTL to 10 by any means possible to at least 2 months with wins and losses for 6H/D and 4 months with wins and losses for 3H/D.As it is now you're insane if you run proto and even more insane if you don't mix in pub matches. |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2013.12.14 20:08:00 -
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Issue with Factional Warfare: Player Market was not introduced at the same time. Otherwise the standings and loyalty points are fine. Friendly fire bans need work. |
Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 20:12:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Issue with Factional Warfare: Player Market was not introduced at the same time. Otherwise the standings and loyalty points are fine. Friendly fire bans need work.
They are not fine and as they are now they will be a isk black hole. |
The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
393
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:11:00 -
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I see no problem with FW besides not having a player market. So what if it takes like 2-3 months of wins to reach level 10? They lower level wins already give you a good amount of LP to get proto LP items and you don't need to run proto ISK in FW, just run standard and advanced. |
Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:16:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:I see no problem with FW besides not having a player market. So what if it takes like 2-3 months of wins to reach level 10? They lower level wins already give you a good amount of LP to get proto LP items and you don't need to run proto ISK in FW, just run standard and advanced.
not you too, am i the only sane person here?! |
Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.15 02:10:00 -
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With the new change to fw which reduced LP payout to about 650 at level 10 without booster and about 900 with booster it is not worth playing fw. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.12.15 02:27:00 -
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Valto Nyntus wrote:The-Errorist wrote:I see no problem with FW besides not having a player market. So what if it takes like 2-3 months of wins to reach level 10? They lower level wins already give you a good amount of LP to get proto LP items and you don't need to run proto ISK in FW, just run standard and advanced. not you too, am i the only sane person here?!
Nope, I enjoy the FW but it should have came out in the same time as player market :|
Cheer up a bit will you
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Personal best K/A/D in 1.7 26/5/1
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
2215
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Posted - 2013.12.15 02:29:00 -
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Better to take this cautious approach than to go all out and make the lvl10 awards amazing. As per above, without the player market implemented, it's not wise to have too many LP items lying around...
"When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
173
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Posted - 2013.12.15 02:58:00 -
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Valto Nyntus wrote:The-Errorist wrote:I see no problem with FW besides not having a player market. So what if it takes like 2-3 months of wins to reach level 10? They lower level wins already give you a good amount of LP to get proto LP items and you don't need to run proto ISK in FW, just run standard and advanced. not you too, am i the only sane person here?!
So, disagreeing with you makes us insane? Nice defence  |
Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
52
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Posted - 2013.12.15 15:01:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Valto Nyntus wrote:The-Errorist wrote:I see no problem with FW besides not having a player market. So what if it takes like 2-3 months of wins to reach level 10? They lower level wins already give you a good amount of LP to get proto LP items and you don't need to run proto ISK in FW, just run standard and advanced. not you too, am i the only sane person here?! So, disagreeing with you makes us insane? Nice defence
That's not what I meant, it just seems that for something that is outrageously done to make you grind way too much I didn't expect people to like this.after all, who wants to play 2-7 months while losing isk and with so few rewards for your time spent, I just don't understand it. |
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Draco Cerberus
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
603
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:45:00 -
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I did warn everyone that without a P2P market the FW battles will be very costly and likely not worth doing
LogiGod earns his pips
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Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
680
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:54:00 -
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Yeah, I would like higher rewards for higher Standings levels, maybe maxing out ta 1000 for a win at level 10.
Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
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Stephen Seneca
State Patriots
Templis Dragonaors
16
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Posted - 2013.12.15 19:29:00 -
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You forgot to do the math for the Caldari. :-p . These are the few things I would rework regarding FW.
1. Introduce player market.
2. Make FW weapons and gear 1 or 2 percent better than their counterparts. Remove the lower skill req.
3. Slight boost to LP payout like what Dominus Fatali said above.
4. Bring negative standings into the picture. This would be a little scary with honest mistakes but would ultimately push out long term awoxers.
For the State!
Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
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Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens
League of Infamy
433
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:01:00 -
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Valto Nyntus wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Issue with Factional Warfare: Player Market was not introduced at the same time. Otherwise the standings and loyalty points are fine. Friendly fire bans need work. They are not fine and as they are now they will be a isk black hole. Edit:don't even get me started with how a loss can extend the grind by another day and 6 matches(-450 standing) which adds 2H - 3H to your TTL to 10.
You don't loose 450 standing for loosing a battle, you loose the standing for getting kicked for team killing.
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:49:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Valto Nyntus wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Issue with Factional Warfare: Player Market was not introduced at the same time. Otherwise the standings and loyalty points are fine. Friendly fire bans need work. They are not fine and as they are now they will be a isk black hole. Edit:don't even get me started with how a loss can extend the grind by another day and 6 matches(-450 standing) which adds 2H - 3H to your TTL to 10. You don't loose 450 standing for loosing a battle, you loose the standing for getting kicked for team killing.
Mistake on my part, I meant on being kicked for tk or ff. |
Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:12:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Better to take this cautious approach than to go all out and make the lvl10 awards amazing. As per above, without the player market implemented, it's not wise to have too many LP items lying around...
i guess your right, but the price of them being cautious is the players lose interest in FW and they may not even play it at all. |
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