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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:28:00 -
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How are the tanks in PC now? I'm asking because actual balance should revolve around PC (because pubs are just total cluster*****).
I'd try it for myself but I don't do PC anymore.
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8791
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:30:00 -
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Actually they do have to be balanced at least partially around pubs because believe it or not, new players exist (as shocking as that is for all of us)
Vids / O7
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3768
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Actually they do have to be balanced at least partially around pubs because believe it or not, new players exist (as shocking as that is for all of us)
Or maybe!
CCP Should fix matchmaking!
Buff Shotguns
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1627
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:36:00 -
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I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Smoove Zan
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Actually they do have to be balanced at least partially around pubs because believe it or not, new players exist (as shocking as that is for all of us) pshh... Dust Fiend you and your shenanigans. Don't listen to this clown new players are only a myth. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8797
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:41:00 -
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Smoove Zan wrote:new players are only a myth. In a not so distant future
Vids / O7
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Thumb Green
Novashift
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:44:00 -
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There can be no balance found in something only a minority of players participate in.
Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:46:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc Then don't allow STD tanks in any gamemode other than PC.
If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one gamemode, but also allow it to remain broken for another; then it would only be fair to allow it to remain in that gamemode, but banned for another.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:47:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Actually they do have to be balanced at least partially around pubs because believe it or not, new players exist (as shocking as that is for all of us) Or maybe! CCP Should fix matchmaking! That's not going to happen any time soon.
And what matchmaking? What matchmaking currently exists in this game.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
342
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:50:00 -
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How could matchmaking fix current militia tank spam? Just curious |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Actually they do have to be balanced at least partially around pubs because believe it or not, new players exist (as shocking as that is for all of us) Or maybe! CCP Should fix matchmaking! That's not going to happen any time soon. And what matchmaking? What matchmaking currently exists in this game. The player base is too small for matchmaking to work right, even if they made it flawless.
Vids / O7
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2054
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:54:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:How are the tanks in PC now? I'm asking because actual balance should revolve around PC (because pubs are just total cluster*****).
I'd try it for myself but I don't do PC anymore. Lolno, the battles are now based around who has the most tanks.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1629
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc Then don't allow STD tanks in any gamemode other than PC. If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one gamemode, but also allow it to remain broken for another; then it would only be fair to allow it to remain in that gamemode, but banned for another. Don't allow anything proto, including equipment and AV in pubs then? No, that's not a good solution
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:00:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Don't allow anything proto, including equipment and AV in pubs then? No, that's not a good solution
Well, considering the fact that I can easily hold my own against a PRO suit with my STD or ADV suit, I'm going to say no because it is already balanced around themselves, independent of gamemode(s).
And considering how a MLT tank can handle even PRO AV as if it was nothing, that would be broken. (Not that the concept within itself isn't already broken).
Funny how you said this, because PRO equipment and weapons are already balanced for both PUBs & FW.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1629
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Don't allow anything proto, including equipment and AV in pubs then? No, that's not a good solution
Well, considering the fact that I can easily hold my own against a PRO suit with my STD or ADV suit, I'm going to say no because it is already balanced around themselves, independent of gamemode(s). And considering how a MLT tank can handle even PRO AV as if it was nothing, that would be broken. (Not that the concept within itself isn't already broken). Funny how you said this, because PRO equipment and weapons are already balanced for both PUBs & FW. Militia tanks ARE a bit broken right now!!!!!
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2063
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:09:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:How are the tanks in PC now? I'm asking because actual balance should revolve around PC (because pubs are just total cluster*****).
I'd try it for myself but I don't do PC anymore. Lolno, the battles are now based around who has the most tanks.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1273
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:10:00 -
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well the answer to ur question is yes.
Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry.
Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan
I ring for everyone. :D
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2063
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:12:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:well the answer to ur question is yes. *said the tanker....
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1629
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:12:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:well the answer to ur question is yes.
Thanks for just answering and not starting a debate
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
333
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc Then don't allow STD tanks in any gamemode other than PC. If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one gamemode, but also allow it to remain broken for another; then it would only be fair to allow it to remain in that gamemode, but banned for another. Then don't allow proto gear pubs.
Tanker/Logi
Tanks almost fixed.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:13:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc Then don't allow STD tanks in any gamemode other than PC. If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one gamemode, but also allow it to remain broken for another; then it would only be fair to allow it to remain in that gamemode, but banned for another. Then don't allow proto gear pubs.
Atiim wrote: Well, considering the fact that I can easily hold my own against a PRO suit with my STD or ADV suit, I'm going to say no because it is already balanced around themselves, independent of gamemode(s).
And considering how a MLT tank can handle even PRO AV as if it was nothing, that would be broken. (Not that the concept within itself isn't already broken).
Funny how you said this, because PRO equipment and weapons are already balanced for both PUBs & FW.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2063
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:17:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc Then don't allow STD tanks in any gamemode other than PC. If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one gamemode, but also allow it to remain broken for another; then it would only be fair to allow it to remain in that gamemode, but banned for another. Then don't allow proto gear pubs. No Proto in pubs???
B-b-but then how will I stomp players from the Academy??
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:18:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Militia tanks ARE a bit broken right now!!!!!
Considering the fact that MLT HAVs are pretty much the same as STD vehicles (but worse), all vehicles are broken.
Why would anyone even use AV? Even after the WP reward for damage.
197k ISK for an item that will get shredded and only revive 25-50 WP for every 2k of damage?
50-100k for an item that will almost guarantee victory and recive 150-200 WP?
Gee which one shall I pick?
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1631
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Militia tanks ARE a bit broken right now!!!!!
Considering the fact that MLT HAVs are pretty much the same as STD vehicles (but worse), all vehicles are broken. Why would anyone even use AV? Even after the WP reward for damage. 197k ISK for an item that will get shredded and only revive 25-50 WP for every 2k of damage? 50-100k for an item that will almost guarantee victory and recive 150-200 WP? Gee which one shall I pick? 100m range buff to swarms, increase their flight speed but decrease their turn rate a bit. Voila, you can now effectively push back a tank without getting yourself in too much danger.
Btw, the difference between the std tank and mlt tanks is about 200-400k isk and 10+ million sp
Making AV an actual role
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
333
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:23:00 -
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Not sure I played a PC yesterday but it was disorganized I had a second tanker, 2 FG's and 2 HMG's who could bring out FG's if needed all ready in organized squads then the server crashed only the people who reset instead of waiting to get kicked got in. So it was me a director who brought a tank in towards the end vs. Covert Clay and two militia tanks. We were able to distract them at one point I took out a militia tank while clay was busy fighting our other tanker and then I caught clay with his shields down and it only took a single volley to pop him instead of 2, but I kept getting jumped by two tanks, so they do play an important role, who ever has more has a distinct advantage.
Tanker/Logi
Tanks almost fixed.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1631
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:28:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Not sure I played a PC yesterday but it was disorganized I had a second tanker, 2 FG's and 2 HMG's who could bring out FG's if needed all ready in organized squads then the server crashed only the people who reset instead of waiting to get kicked got in. So it was me a director who brought a tank in towards the end vs. Covert Clay and two militia tanks. We were able to distract them at one point I took out a militia tank while clay was busy fighting our other tanker and then I caught clay with his shields down and it only took a single volley to pop him instead of 2, but I kept getting jumped by two tanks, so they do play an important role, who ever has more has a distinct advantage. Was clay using a shield tank or armor? Last time I spoke to him he hadn't made his choice yet.
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2073
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:30:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Not sure I played a PC yesterday but it was disorganized I had a second tanker, 2 FG's and 2 HMG's who could bring out FG's if needed all ready in organized squads then the server crashed only the people who reset instead of waiting to get kicked got in. So it was me a director who brought a tank in towards the end vs. Covert Clay and two militia tanks. We were able to distract them at one point I took out a militia tank while clay was busy fighting our other tanker and then I caught clay with his shields down and it only took a single volley to pop him instead of 2, but I kept getting jumped by two tanks, so they do play an important role, who ever has more has a distinct advantage. Was clay using a shield tank or armor? Last time I spoke to him he hadn't made his choice yet. I saw Clay using an Armor tank in a pub match. I don't know if he also has Gunnlogis or not though.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
990
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:31:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I know they should be balanced a bit around pubs as well. Balance the mlt tanks around pubs and the actuall std tanks around pc Then don't allow STD tanks in any gamemode other than PC. If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one gamemode, but also allow it to remain broken for another; then it would only be fair to allow it to remain in that gamemode, but banned for another. Then don't allow proto gear pubs. then how dear god would you stop my mlt tank spam? |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3773
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Actually they do have to be balanced at least partially around pubs because believe it or not, new players exist (as shocking as that is for all of us) Or maybe! CCP Should fix matchmaking! That's not going to happen any time soon. And what matchmaking? What matchmaking currently exists in this game?
So what?
We should balance around pubs, where matchmaking does not exist?
Buff Shotguns
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