DUST Search - FW is not ment to be sustainable

Delanus Turgias wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

We are 138 wrote:

Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways.

Why? FW is sustainable in EVE and I want to play FW not PC or Pubs.

^ This, as an EvE pilot I can tell you you can make near 100% of your fits with something gained from the LP store, and even get ships that are even more powerful then other hulls.

You do realize that this isn't EvE, right? There are so many things missing from Dust that EvE has to make FW a sustainable thing, and why should Dust operate remotely similar to EvE? They're completely different games. Not to mention that the things that make FW sustainable in EvE don't come from FW, they come from logistical support like manufacturing complexes and mining and other methods to generate the materials of war, something that we simply do not have in Dust. Quit fooling yourselves.

Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2367	Posted - 2013.12.14 04:40:00 - [31] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. Why? FW is sustainable in EVE and I want to play FW not PC or Pubs. ^ This, as an EvE pilot I can tell you you can make near 100% of your fits with something gained from the LP store, and even get ships that are even more powerful then other hulls. You do realize that this isn't EvE, right? There are so many things missing from Dust that EvE has to make FW a sustainable thing, and why should Dust operate remotely similar to EvE? They're completely different games. Not to mention that the things that make FW sustainable in EvE don't come from FW, they come from logistical support like manufacturing complexes and mining and other methods to generate the materials of war, something that we simply do not have in Dust. Quit fooling yourselves. This isn't QQ about something that's OP or a RESPEC or getting AUR refunded. This is about content that's right here that people are interested in and want to play. To deny that or put up roadblocks to enjoyment at this stage of the game is crazy. I'm really surprised people don't see that. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 262	Posted - 2013.12.14 04:49:00 - [32] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: You do realize that this isn't EvE, right? There are so many things missing from Dust that EvE has to make FW a sustainable thing, and why should Dust operate remotely similar to EvE? They're completely different games. Not to mention that the things that make FW sustainable in EvE don't come from FW, they come from logistical support like manufacturing complexes and mining and other methods to generate the materials of war, something that we simply do not have in Dust. Quit fooling yourselves. You must not play EVE, because as a Cal Mil member in EVE you can make billions in a stealth bomber by just killing NPCs. Going to Nourv and cashing in your LP and then taking your haul 3 jumps away to Jita. I made lots of money just selling faction torpedoes in Nourv alone. Never mind he LP items I sold in Jita. There is no mining in FW, we kill those that try to mine. Not mining mining, I mean in general buying resources and all the rest of it. Your ships aren't free, especially not bombers. May as well be. 1 mission in FW buys 10 of them and I would get 6-7 missions at a time.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3546	Posted - 2013.12.14 05:39:00 - [33] - Quote I'm so tired of the "This isn't EVE" - Some console ******. They are both in the Same universe and should/will behave in similar manners. I swear that comment always strikes a nerve with me.
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 262	Posted - 2013.12.14 05:58:00 - [34] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm so tired of the "This isn't EVE" - Some console ******. They are both in the Same universe and should/will behave in similar manners. I swear that comment always strikes a nerve with me. They are different games, though, there does need to be a balance if we are ever hoping that DUST is fully integrated into the EVE society. This isn't EVE, but it is. At the same time there needs to be distinctions between the two because DUST is a FPS while EVE is a time based submarine sim. What CCP is trying to do I am 100....err 1000% behind. I feel that once EVE and DUST become one, both games will be so much better because of it. We just aren't there....yet. Give it time young grasshopper. It will be, and when it is people will ask "you still play COD?" This is why I still follow DUST, and after 1.7, even though they robbed people of BPOs, I feel CCP is taking DUST slowly where it needs to be. Now what I would really love is to see DUST go to PS4 in May of 2014. I feel so many great things would come of it. And screw the people that still have PS3, you don't matter. CCP has killed off clients before and told their player to step up, classic client anyone. I would buy a PS4 for DUST, just like now only God of War, Drake and DUST get played on my PS3 anyway.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4884	Posted - 2013.12.14 06:52:00 - [35] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. Why? FW is sustainable in EVE and I want to play FW not PC or Pubs. ^ This, as an EvE pilot I can tell you you can make near 100% of your fits with something gained from the LP store, and even get ships that are even more powerful then other hulls. You do realize that this isn't EvE, right? There are so many things missing from Dust that EvE has to make FW a sustainable thing, and why should Dust operate remotely similar to EvE? They're completely different games. Not to mention that the things that make FW sustainable in EvE don't come from FW, they come from logistical support like manufacturing complexes and mining and other methods to generate the materials of war, something that we simply do not have in Dust. Quit fooling yourselves. This very much is EVE you idiot, we live in the same universe, we share the same laws of operation. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 650	Posted - 2013.12.14 07:30:00 - [36] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. Why? FW is sustainable in EVE and I want to play FW not PC or Pubs. ^ This, as an EvE pilot I can tell you you can make near 100% of your fits with something gained from the LP store, and even get ships that are even more powerful then other hulls. Well dust can also do this just run away from every fight like EVE plexers, warp stabs and cloaks. The good ol' "Whirlwind of faggotry". So much LP dumped into the market just by orbiting a button.
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2013.12.14 07:40:00 - [37] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. i need TWO wins to try out ONE state assault ck.0, it's like 400 LP, which is ridiculous i should be able to get atleast 2 or 3 with 1 win
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 899	Posted - 2013.12.14 07:44:00 - [38] - Quote Increase LP payout by X times, where X >> 1, or decrease LP cost for all items to 90% of current cost. Who would play FW right now?? Its a complete waste. You make more ISK by AFKing in a pub game with no effort. Doesnt matter in Dust 514: PC. FW Standing. Tanking Type. Other mods than DMG or HP. Does matter in Dust 514: Rifles.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 413	Posted - 2013.12.14 07:54:00 - [39] - Quote I have a few comments. First, to the guy that said that DUST needs to go to PS4... some of us don't have $700 that we can just pull out. I myself barely get by with enough to pay my internet. I play DUST because there are very few online games left to PS3 and this is one of them. I quit DCUO because they went to PS4. And I played that for over a year. I'm a Beta Vet, I LOVE this game, but I would not be able to play if it went to PS4. Second, they need to increase the amount us Mercs make. In theory, we can make as much as Capsuleers. In practice, I made more money in 4 days on my EVE pilot just starting than I have in DUST any week, period. If they increase payouts, we could make as much as EVE pilots and trade ISK between characters. Then the "exchange rate" would be irrelevant. Third, before 1.7, I was exclusively Caldari FW, even without LP. Make it so that the LP store uses only LP, and the idea of lvl 10 giving 1000 LP, though I would raise that some, is a good idea. Then there would still be a reason to use ISK (I use Active Scanners, and that's Gallente), but we can make money doing nothing but FW. You know, after the market or PtP trading comes out. Lastly, we need PvE. This would be a good way for newcomers and vets to meet and for said vets to teach said newcomers about this game... without vet-stomping in Academy. Just my 2 ISK. Names of playstyles
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 299	Posted - 2013.12.14 11:09:00 - [40] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. This is true, I just wish there were some rare officer like gear only optainable if you spend the time and resources dedicated to your faction. Like in EVE, where you have some really nice loyality items but you will need to run allot of low level missions to colllect enough LP. And to get realy high LP payouts you would need to run allot of missions to raise your standing. The more rare faction ships, weapons and modules end up having a high price on the marked as many are unable or unwilling to spend the time grinding for the LP points. The high LP payout we thought would come at high standing levels resulted in players willing to spend lots of isk to gain a Victory, and this led to very intense matches. The lower LP removed the incentive to go all in and work really hard for the victory. Now many are back to running cheap suits, and if the opposite fields proto I just go starter fits. I no longer try to go up against the proto in my own proto suits to even out the match. I am afraid we return to redlining matches, the first team to deploy protos and tanks makes the other team go starter fits or leave the match as a loss will in result in little LP. Before we had protos on both teams dying multiple times trying to wear each other down, who had enough isk to sustain the looses and often it resultet in really close matches.

Minstrum Ridcully KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2013.12.14 11:40:00 - [41] - Quote Regardless of game type you should always be in profit at the end of a day's gaming. If you're not it's your decision to play the game that way. It's also your decision to whine like a ***** and i respect that.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 185	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:48:00 - [42] - Quote Yes it is, there called BPO's. I've decide to still play FW until my booster expires. However I will not waste a single ISK. You bastards won't be getting any salvage off of me.
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 470	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:59:00 - [43] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. Why? FW is sustainable in EVE and I want to play FW not PC or Pubs. ^ This, as an EvE pilot I can tell you you can make near 100% of your fits with something gained from the LP store, and even get ships that are even more powerful then other hulls. You do realize that this isn't EvE, right? There are so many things missing from Dust that EvE has to make FW a sustainable thing, and why should Dust operate remotely similar to EvE? They're completely different games. Not to mention that the things that make FW sustainable in EvE don't come from FW, they come from logistical support like manufacturing complexes and mining and other methods to generate the materials of war, something that we simply do not have in Dust. Quit fooling yourselves. Thank you, we don't have all the pieces yet so FW can not be your proto gear cow.... Yet. And as I said it has allowed me to try new things at a higher lvl than I have points for which is just as good for me as it is for a new player. Also it adds a sense of importance to the things you buy with LP they are less disposable which means you may be more careful with that fit leading to a different gaming experience you know...... WHERE YOUR STUFF MATTERS and that is one of the biggest selling points of dust for me my stuff matters.... Right there that makes it deeper than COD will ever be. I will throw away cheap suits all day long but when I breakout the nice stuff I'm careful with it Thats what makes the differance , the sense of risk.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 186	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:04:00 - [44] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Why is that so hard to understand? You get aurum grade stuff for cheap. This has allowed me to try out new stuff before I skill into it. Its not ment to keep you indefinatly stocked with full proto gear all the time, which undoubtedly is what many of you want so you can continue to proto pub stomp. Stop thinking that you are all so entitled to every thing. Some times you have to work for what you want. I've also noticed that its bittervets that are doing all the howling..... Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. I had no intention on bringing any LP gear into pubs. I did however expect to turn a profit if I won enough battles for my faction. Now, instead of bringing out my best to help secure the win(ISK be damned), I will run even cheaper fits than I do in Pubs. In Pubs, better performance = higher payout. In FW, better performance don't mean jack unless you win. FW may be worth the effort, but it's damn sure not worth the investment. We are mercenaries for gods sake. What is wrong with expecting to make a profit for winning?
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 470	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:04:00 - [45] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm so tired of the "This isn't EVE" - Some console ******. They are both in the Same universe and should/will behave in similar manners. I swear that comment always strikes a nerve with me. So eve was perfect right from the start? They didn't have to work on things and get them sorted? Oh wait yes and it took ten years.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 186	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:18:00 - [46] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Thank you, we don't have all the pieces yet so FW can not be your proto gear cow.... Yet. And as I said it has allowed me to try new things at a higher lvl than I have points for which is just as good for me as it is for a new player. Also it adds a sense of importance to the things you buy with LP they are less disposable which means you may be more careful with that fit leading to a different gaming experience you know...... WHERE YOUR STUFF MATTERS and that is one of the biggest selling points of dust for me my stuff matters.... Right there that makes it deeper than COD will ever be. I will throw away cheap suits all day long but when I breakout the nice stuff I'm careful with it Thats what makes the differance , the sense of risk. Actually, It has had the opposite effect on me. I will now run free fits in FW to fund LP Proto fits in Pubs. I use to only bring out a proto suit to field test some new fits.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 100	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:21:00 - [47] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm so tired of the "This isn't EVE" - Some console *****. They are both in the Same universe and should/will behave in similar manners. I swear that comment always strikes a nerve with me. They are different games, though, there does need to be a balance if we are ever hoping that DUST is fully integrated into the EVE society. This isn't EVE, but it is. At the same time there needs to be distinctions between the two because DUST is a FPS while EVE is a time based submarine sim. What CCP is trying to do I am 100....err 1000% behind. I feel that once EVE and DUST become one, both games will be so much better because of it. We just aren't there....yet. Give it time young grasshopper. It will be, and when it is people will ask "you still play COD?" This is why I still follow DUST, and after 1.7, even though they robbed people of BPOs, I feel CCP is taking DUST slowly where it needs to be. Now what I would really love is to see DUST go to PS4 in May of 2014. I feel so many great things would come of it. And screw the people that still have PS3, you don't matter. CCP has killed off clients before and told their player to step up, classic client anyone. I would buy a PS4 for DUST, just like now only God of War, Drake and DUST get played on my PS3 anyway. Don't forget Dark Souls 2 now Demolitions Instructor* Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 471	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:39:00 - [48] - Quote Mmmhmmm can't wait for that to drop, it will be a good vacation from new eden..... Oh... Wait... Demon's souls/darksouls had some ruthless players that would cut your throat just to watch you bleed..... I can't wait!
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4075	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:42:00 - [49] - Quote If your argument for not being sustainable is because of aurum gear, than remove the aurum gear. Who asked for that? Nobody. If CCP wants a way for players to get aurum gear without aurum, then go ahead and make a way, but not at the expense of making FW not sustainable. You know there are people who enjoy FW for what it is, competing for you faction to gain territory and working with EVE pilots. So yes, it is supposed to be sustainable. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 416	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:10:00 - [50] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: If your argument for not being sustainable is because of aurum gear, than remove the aurum gear. Who asked for that? Nobody. If CCP wants a way for players to get aurum gear without aurum, then go ahead and make a way, but not at the expense of making FW not sustainable. You know there are people who enjoy FW for what it is, competing for you faction to gain territory and working with EVE pilots. So yes, it is supposed to be sustainable. As Aero said, this IS supposed to be sustainable. I fight ONLY FW, or I used to. Why? Public matches are Hi-Sec and I want to use my proto gear (when I feel like it) without feeling guilty. Names of playstyles

Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1247	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:54:00 - [51] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. I guess its time for me to leave than.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 712	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:26:00 - [52] - Quote When we get the P2P market I expect FW to be fairly sustainable by selling the high-end LP gear. Who knows when that'll be, but CCP knows this is a priority. The supply/demand for LP gear should make it sell for excellent ISK on the market. It will also have the advantage of balancing the factions. If one faction is dominating, the market will be flooded with LP from that faction and the prices will plummet making it less sustainable. This may incentivize players to switch to the loosing faction to farm LP gear with low supplies and correspondingly high prices in the market. It's going to be a nice system when the P2P market goes live. In the meantime, save up those LPs to cash in when we have the opportunity to do so. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4085	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:29:00 - [53] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: We are 138 wrote: Get over your selves this game would be better with out you any ways. I guess its time for me to leave than. Keeping fighting the good fight for us, sir. All the LP Payout complaints may have stopped, but that's only because we're tired of posting the same thing over and over. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Nazz'Dragg planetary retaliation organisation 18	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 - [54] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm so tired of the "This isn't EVE" - Some console ******. They are both in the Same universe and should/will behave in similar manners. I swear that comment always strikes a nerve with me. They are different games, though, there does need to be a balance if we are ever hoping that DUST is fully integrated into the EVE society. This isn't EVE, but it is. At the same time there needs to be distinctions between the two because DUST is a FPS while EVE is a time based submarine sim. What CCP is trying to do I am 100....err 1000% behind. I feel that once EVE and DUST become one, both games will be so much better because of it. We just aren't there....yet. Give it time young grasshopper. It will be, and when it is people will ask "you still play COD?" This is why I still follow DUST, and after 1.7, even though they robbed people of BPOs, I feel CCP is taking DUST slowly where it needs to be. Now what I would really love is to see DUST go to PS4 in May of 2014. I feel so many great things would come of it. And screw the people that still have PS3, you don't matter. CCP has killed off clients before and told their player to step up, classic client anyone. I would buy a PS4 for DUST, just like now only God of War, Drake and DUST get played on my PS3 anyway. Don't forget Dark Souls 2 now We have to wait three whole months before dark souls two comes out. I don't want to wait that long. Amarr pray for God, Caldari pray for Money, Gallente pray for Peace and Minmatar pray their crap holds together.
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 81	Posted - 2013.12.15 07:53:00 - [55] - Quote Make the items in the loyalty store available through sheer LP only. You may lose out on ISK in FW, but if your in a high enough lvl you could make fits off LP alone but of course this would mean those items you could sell straight up for ISK. Since their essentially aurum like items you could make a killing selling them to those who may not have the skills yet or sell items from the factions to players who may not have the time or not interested in fighting for a particular faction but could still use those items. I also would like to buy rare officer gear through the LP store as well. OF course you could make it an insane LP cost so one could only buy a few if saved up even at a high level. This would also mean you could fight for a specific faction, bank the LP and buy weapons and modules. Then proceed to sell these on the market for a reasonable price.....or unreasonable i.e Gallente Sniper- "could i buy a couple thales from you" Caldari Fighter- "okay i sell to you for 50 Mill isk a pop" GS- "WTF, are you serious i can't afford that!" CF- "Well i guess your gonna be fighting in Caldari FW for quite awhile." "cookie crumble" Trust in the Rust! 7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion Combat Rifle is for Combat!


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