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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:26:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I really, really want to love FW. I really do. I've tried to organise Gallente channels, provide OB support (I have performed over 100 strikes now), and just have fun in squads. We're winning, but it's not fun, nor is it rewarding.
FW is completely unsustainable. It was insane to release it without a market - We told CCP this over and over before release. Even if it did have a market, it still wouldn't be nearly sustainable in its current form. Why? The LP payouts are lacking. In order to get funding from FW equivalent to pubmatch funding, you need to be selling these items at a huge markup from what you can get from the market. It's an entire gamemode built around 'luxury' items that very few need. Even fewer will pay for them. Even if you're winning constantly with level 10 standings and a booster the theoretical income from a market is barely on par with pubmatches.
And frankly it's just unbearable to play. I have been kicked every time I try to get a solid session going. The first time it was an orbital strike grazing a blueberry - the overkill damage apparently catapulted me over the limit from something close to 0. All standings lost, 24 hour ban.
The second time it was another orbital. The area was completely clear of blueberries. Then a tank MWD'd through. It didn't even kill him - but I got kicked. All standings lost, 24 hour ban.
I can't even go and fight for my allied faction, because for some completely inexplicable reason I'm banned from EVERY faction contract.
Then when I actually can play it, it takes ages to queue because of the scotty errors. Scotty errors. You know, the blindingly obvious bug which devs mentioned and has a massive effect on FW queuing? Yet they're not fixed months after they started coming up. Not even in a massive series of revamps. This isn't even time you can use to tweak fits or whatnot - you have to sit at the deployment screen pressing 'x' over and over and over and over and over again.
Whilst running with a squad today, the following happened:
"Ooh, a match! *fatal error* Damnit. Let's try in a squad.
*goes with squad* Here we go, finally, a match, after all the scotty errors. *black screen crash*
Damnit. *waits for squad to get out* *rejoins squad after 15 minutes*
Yay, we're actually queuing! *squad lead starts giving orders* "Wait, you're in a match?" "Yeah, aren't you?"
****."
I really can't stand it. I looked forward to this so, so much. Finally, I thought, the mode I've been waiting for! But this is a joke. A farce.
Before this, I was logging in every day to maintain my login bonus. I didn't have the energy to play. I've got a holiday now, over Christmas. I'd like nothing more than to be able to play a decent series of enjoyable FW matches that don't break my wallet or my heart. I'm not sure I can even bother to maintain the login bonus anymore - Every single significant patch so much has been ****** up it's unbelievable.
I'm done, I guess.
That sucks man it really does.
The faction warfare deal is a let down for sure.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2351
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:29:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:I know you are a vet and a good player but ide just not squad lead for a while. Let that be someone elses problem. But from the sounds of things organizing is kind of your deal. Sorry sir.
Also i personally love the loyalty store. Proto suits for 15k isk and 155 lp. How do you not love that?
As your Gallente brother I encourage you to go grab a bottle of whiskey and some strippers and think this over.
You can get a proto suit from ISK in a pub match for less. I think a lot of people wanted to use their good gear and make FW good fights. It's not remotely sustainable even after reaching Level 10 standings.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2351
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:33:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:I feel your pain on this... Gallente FW is a frustrating experience trying to get into. And the ease at which one can get banned makes me not even drop OB's anymore; it's just too risky!
Couple that with lack of ISK means that it's back to ambush for a few matches a day to keep myself afloat!
As much as I like many aspects of 1.7, I do hope there is some fine-tuning to FW.
I warned them from the first day that orbitals would be impossible without team deploy. I didn't expect for damage to null cannons to have a negative impact, but either way.
At some point CCP needs to listen to the players on some of this stuff. A lot of it is very predictable and the warnings are never listened to.
I had posts around mine in regards to the orbitals that were responded to by Devs, but they ignored mine.
And my next prediction was that Eve pilots would lose interest after we failed to drop orbitals out of fear of TK. That's coming soon as well. How will they get the pilots interested after they say "**** that"?
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2351
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:41:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:I know you are a vet and a good player but ide just not squad lead for a while. Let that be someone elses problem. But from the sounds of things organizing is kind of your deal. Sorry sir.
Also i personally love the loyalty store. Proto suits for 15k isk and 155 lp. How do you not love that?
As your Gallente brother I encourage you to go grab a bottle of whiskey and some strippers and think this over. You can get a proto suit from ISK in a pub match for less. I think a lot of people wanted to use their good gear and make FW good fights. It's not remotely sustainable even after reaching Level 10 standings. I think if anything fw is where all the sacrifice in this game is supposed to go. Go hard for your team. By no means do I feel I need to say this to molon labe but I think that might be the point.
But I don't think we can expect players to sink ISK for long. The incentives to fight hard in pubs are broken as well and look what it's done. 2 or 3 minutes of effort then they quit if the going gets tough.
Incentives drive behavior. And I want action. FW is the thing CCP needs to make this game awesome, but instead they want to moderate it by forcing players to raise funds via pubs to afford it. This is insane to try and limit the fun players want to have in their game.
It's freakin crazy
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2351
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:57:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:I know you are a vet and a good player but ide just not squad lead for a while. Let that be someone elses problem. But from the sounds of things organizing is kind of your deal. Sorry sir.
Also i personally love the loyalty store. Proto suits for 15k isk and 155 lp. How do you not love that?
As your Gallente brother I encourage you to go grab a bottle of whiskey and some strippers and think this over. You can get a proto suit from ISK in a pub match for less. I think a lot of people wanted to use their good gear and make FW good fights. It's not remotely sustainable even after reaching Level 10 standings. I think if anything fw is where all the sacrifice in this game is supposed to go. Go hard for your team. By no means do I feel I need to say this to molon labe but I think that might be the point. But I don't think we can expect players to sink ISK for long. The incentives to fight hard in pubs are broken as well and look what it's done. 2 or 3 minutes of effort then they quit if the going gets tough. Incentives drive behavior. And I want action. FW is the thing CCP needs to make this game awesome, but instead they want to moderate it by forcing players to raise funds via pubs to afford it. This is insane to try and limit the fun players want to have in their game. It's freakin crazy Ill play 4 pub for every 1 fw and usually gain isk.
I'm glad to hear that you don't think that's an extreme amount of grinding. That would put you at 1000 matches to reach L10 standings if you won all 200 FW matches you entered.
I'm not sure how many people share your drive or consider that reasonable.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2353
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Posted - 2013.12.14 02:07:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I wrote an ellaborate topic but accidently pressed shift+backspace :(.
I hate it - caldari loose all the time and I can't gfrow the standing on neither of the characters and not being able to transfer LP is stupid - mu madrugar cannot use LP unless I use missiles.
Caldari needs help. If they ever get all this mess straightened out I'm putting heavy alt in there.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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