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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:41:00 -
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There are lots of thing that aren't, before anyone says oh well those things all make tanks strong, no they don't they are weak it's like 4 people are in a race 3 use wheelchairs 1 has functioning legs we don't need to break his legs, lets heal the 3 other people's legs and be decent people with some sense.
AV not great, it can WORK but it's very ineffective, give the SL 75 more meters of lock-on range, the FG slightly higher damage halfway between current and 1.6 values, and AV nades damage halfway between current and 1.6 values.
DSes/ADSes work pretty well atm
Armor LAVs might need a tweak down in HP and shield recharge to give them more balance compared to their shield counterparts.
HAVs are difficult to kill, a bit too difficult, if they're going to be dirt cheap then don't give em this much power, ISK is a ****** balancing mechanic but at such a low price they're spammable and hard to take down due to lack of countermeasures.
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ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:45:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:There are lots of thing that aren't, before anyone says oh well those things all make tanks strong, no they don't they are weak it's like 4 people are in a race 3 use wheelchairs 1 has functioning legs we don't need to break his legs, lets heal the 3 other people's legs and be decent people with some sense.
AV not great, it can WORK but it's very ineffective, give the SL 75 more meters of lock-on range, the FG slightly higher damage halfway between current and 1.6 values, and AV nades damage halfway between current and 1.6 values.
DSes/ADSes work pretty well atm
Armor LAVs might need a tweak down in HP and shield recharge to give them more balance compared to their shield counterparts.
HAVs are difficult to kill, a bit too difficult, if they're going to be dirt cheap then don't give em this much power, ISK is a ****** bal if forges get ANY more damage im getting a respec out of Python and maddy, maddy gets screwed by pro AFG, Python 1 shot =half 2550 shield gone |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1870
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:52:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Killar-12 wrote:There are lots of thing that aren't, before anyone says oh well those things all make tanks strong, no they don't they are weak it's like 4 people are in a race 3 use wheelchairs 1 has functioning legs we don't need to break his legs, lets heal the 3 other people's legs and be decent people with some sense.
AV not great, it can WORK but it's very ineffective, give the SL 75 more meters of lock-on range, the FG slightly higher damage halfway between current and 1.6 values, and AV nades damage halfway between current and 1.6 values.
DSes/ADSes work pretty well atm
Armor LAVs might need a tweak down in HP and shield recharge to give them more balance compared to their shield counterparts.
HAVs are difficult to kill, a bit too difficult, if they're going to be dirt cheap then don't give em this much power, ISK is a ****** bal if forges get ANY more damage im getting a respec out of Python and maddy, maddy gets screwed by pro AFG, Python 1 shot =half 2550 shield gone Hardener much?
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:23:00 -
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why dont u spread this usefull bit of knowledge around. its pretty much the tanks new Achilles heel.
or great weakness.
remote explosives do great amounts of damage. what seems to be overlooked right now is the fact that ccp added the abillty for re to STICK TO STUFF!!!!!
which means if u have std remote explosives unlocked and a suit with 2 or 3 equipment slots/logi suit.
fill those slots with those remote explosives.
then when in game spawn a cheap mlt lav down. and with your re packed suit place all those remote explosives on the front bumper of the mlt lav. and then get into the lav. then crash it into an enemy tank at full speed.
tank will NOT SURVIVE.
i think what ppl are complaining about is the fact they just want to have a great kd/r through blowing up tanks.
they are now forced to either camp in the redzone and build shrines to there kd/r and whine on forums all day.
or they can do the smart thing and go after wp. screw their own kdr. and blow up those tanks. plus the tactic can be done solo. and did i mention its a NOT expensive AND FUN?.
after trying this tactic out yesterday against a team that had alot of gunlogis and maddies driving around i pretty much laughed each time it happened its worth it.. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:32:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:why dont u spread this usefull bit of knowledge around. its pretty much the tanks new Achilles heel.
or great weakness.
remote explosives do great amounts of damage. what seems to be overlooked right now is the fact that ccp added the abillty for re to STICK TO STUFF!!!!!
which means if u have std remote explosives unlocked and a suit with 2 or 3 equipment slots/logi suit.
fill those slots with those remote explosives.
then when in game spawn a cheap mlt lav down. and with your re packed suit place all those remote explosives on the front bumper of the mlt lav. and then get into the lav. then crash it into an enemy tank at full speed.
tank will NOT SURVIVE.
i think what ppl are complaining about is the fact they just want to have a great kd/r through blowing up tanks.
they are now forced to either camp in the redzone and build shrines to there kd/r and whine on forums all day.
or they can do the smart thing and go after wp. screw their own kdr. and blow up those tanks. plus the tactic can be done solo. and did i mention its a NOT expensive AND FUN?.
after trying this tactic out yesterday against a team that had alot of gunlogis and maddies driving around i pretty much laughed each time it happened its worth it.. It's pretty sad though that multiples of millions of SP are totally trivialized because now RE death cab is the only reliable AV, where everything else is a crap shoot at best. People go on and on about teamwork but it's just a garbage scapegoat for people who play in single person death machines. Red line rail tanks are basically invincible now, as if they weren't tough to kill before.
I kill plenty of tanks with the RE trick, it just sucks knowing how much more easy and effective and reliable that is for the teeny tiny amount of SP I put into it, when I have proto forge guns and a near maxed AV incubus. Tanks are I win buttons right now, free kills for people who lack the talent to gain them properly in the first place.
Vids / O7
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
6106
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CLONE117 wrote:why dont u spread this usefull bit of knowledge around. its pretty much the tanks new Achilles heel.
or great weakness.
remote explosives do great amounts of damage. what seems to be overlooked right now is the fact that ccp added the abillty for re to STICK TO STUFF!!!!!
which means if u have std remote explosives unlocked and a suit with 2 or 3 equipment slots/logi suit.
fill those slots with those remote explosives.
then when in game spawn a cheap mlt lav down. and with your re packed suit place all those remote explosives on the front bumper of the mlt lav. and then get into the lav. then crash it into an enemy tank at full speed.
tank will NOT SURVIVE.
i think what ppl are complaining about is the fact they just want to have a great kd/r through blowing up tanks.
they are now forced to either camp in the redzone and build shrines to there kd/r and whine on forums all day.
or they can do the smart thing and go after wp. screw their own kdr. and blow up those tanks. plus the tactic can be done solo. and did i mention its a NOT expensive AND FUN?.
after trying this tactic out yesterday against a team that had alot of gunlogis and maddies driving around i pretty much laughed each time it happened its worth it.. It's pretty sad though that multiples of millions of SP are totally trivialized because now RE death cab is the only reliable AV, where everything else is a crap shoot at best. People go on and on about teamwork but it's just a garbage scapegoat for people who play in single person death machines. Red line rail tanks are basically invincible now, as if they weren't tough to kill before. I kill plenty of tanks with the RE trick, it just sucks knowing how much more easy and effective and reliable that is for the teeny tiny amount of SP I put into it, when I have proto forge guns and a near maxed AV incubus. Tanks are I win buttons right now, free kills for people who lack the talent to gain them properly in the first place.
Exactly.
And you even use vehicles.
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:37:00 -
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+1, Mr. 12!
Tanks would be fine if AV didn't get nerf hammered upside the head.
1.7 should have been either a tank buff or AV nerf, not both at once. I think nothing needed to ne changed, tanks just needed to be fixed; not given a buff/nerf cover up. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1607
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:53:00 -
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I think the tank spam right now comes from mlt tanks being too good... Cause most of the tanks on the field right now are militia
Making AV an actual role
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1206
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Posted - 2013.12.14 00:02:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I think the tank spam right now comes from mlt tanks being too good... Cause most of the tanks on the field right now are militia
So imagine what it'll be like when all those tankers get the normal hulls oh f*cking joy!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
328
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Posted - 2013.12.14 00:08:00 -
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The corp squad I was in has probably collectively killed 15 tanks the last three games. I killed 1 with AV nades 1 with remotes at least 3 with my proto missile Gunnlogi. My squad took at least 2 out with warbarge strikes at least 3 with proto swarms and not sure how many we killed with a militia tank with teamwork they are easy to kill
Tanker/Logi
Tanks almost fixed.
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Michael Hyperthraz
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.12.14 00:09:00 -
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I just played match against 6 mlt tanks. These are waaaay to powerfull for just 60k isk. |
Maikyl Metsar
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
75
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Posted - 2013.12.14 00:19:00 -
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Gÿ+/ n++GòªGòñGöÇ /Gûî / \ GûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê]GûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûéGûäGûàGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûàGûäGûâGûé I militia tank to take out other militia tanks... The basic railgun sica does wonders IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê]. since everyone else runs the blasters... We can enjoy it now because it won't last. GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ Though I find it kind of fun to be in the middle of a vehicular war. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 04:42:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I think the tank spam right now comes from mlt tanks being too good... Cause most of the tanks on the field right now are militia true, MLT seem a little bit too good for their dirt cheap price and with AV being considerably worse
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