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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:06:00 -
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Dev blog has been updated to show an updated graph on the LP gain per level.
This is it.
As you can see....those numbers are very discouraging for the amount of ISK I(we) dumped into FW.
So my case is short and simple:
Back to pub matches for me. FW has nothing I want anymore. |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
333
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:08:00 -
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At least boost it so lv10 has 2k+ lp...
Jesus frikkin christ, that's not even able to sustain standard fits via Lp.
Under 28db
Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14)
I haz knife. Me get steak?
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
649
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:10:00 -
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Yeah its broken and needs better maths |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
700
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:13:00 -
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Pride > Payout  |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
478
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:13:00 -
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I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems.
em ta kool t'nod
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
1450
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:21:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems.
^ That's what i was thinking
250k ISK average game payout in public = 50k ISK per proto weapon = 5 proto weapons per game.
650LP point payout = 100LP per proto weapon = 6.5 Proto weapons + 7k ISK per weapon.
The numbers are really not that far off from pub matches tbh.
Amarr
My OB Kills
Selling Templar BPO
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
798
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:21:00 -
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I would just use the points to buy the special rifles.
CALDARI MASTER RACE
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2219
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:22:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems.
I did the math. It's not enough.
// Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2285
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:24:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems. I did the math. It's not enough.
Yeah, I'm not sure where you guys went to school but the math is bad.
Not to mention that it's 100s of matches to reach that point. I guess if you run a 10 KDR the math is good.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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AP Grasshopper
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
58
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:26:00 -
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Agreed too low, one to two thousand would atleast make it worth it. |
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2221
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:31:00 -
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I figured I needed about 3,000 LP to run some faction gear each match in order to keep the ISK costs down below 150K. Since we should be able to make enough LP to sell excess gear on the market when that opens up then I'll need more. Then double it to account for a lifetime losing average of 50%.
The original numbers of making 45,000 LP per match at level 10 standings were too high. Maybe target 15K to 20K at the peak.
Oh, and look at those HAV and turret costs. Faction pilots have it worse.
// Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2221
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:33:00 -
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Keep in mind that only a few faction weapons are designed to be better. The rest were designed to provide an alternative to buying ISK or AUR versions to support your FW habit.
// Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
614
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:34:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Pride > Payout
What a fool you are. Pride ALWAYS comes before a fall. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
68
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:34:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems. ^ That's what i was thinking 250k ISK average game payout in public = 50k ISK per proto weapon = 5 proto weapons per game. 650LP point payout = 100LP per proto weapon = 6.5 Proto weapons + 7k ISK per weapon. The numbers are really not that far off from pub matches tbh.
they are further off then your math shows... It is 7k per weapon, so 650 LP + 36k isk = 5 proto weapons... so... Pubs offer a lot more since FW offers a net loss vs a partial loss in pubs |
AK Cyberdemon
Red Star.
EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:37:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems. ^ That's what i was thinking 250k ISK average game payout in public = 50k ISK per proto weapon = 5 proto weapons per game. 650LP point payout = 100LP per proto weapon = 6.5 Proto weapons + 7k ISK per weapon. The numbers are really not that far off from pub matches tbh.
Yeah the numbers are there. But you are assuming that you will win every match, yesterday I played 40 Caldari FW matches and only won 5. It is only worth it if you win. In pub matches, win or lose you still get money. You lose in FW, you get little to nothing. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
637
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:38:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems. ^ That's what i was thinking 250k ISK average game payout in public = 50k ISK per proto weapon = 5 proto weapons per game. 650LP point payout = 100LP per proto weapon = 6.5 Proto weapons + 7k ISK per weapon. The numbers are really not that far off from pub matches tbh.
Try 215 LP not 100.
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HTFU: adapt or die
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
650
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:43:00 -
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While people may average 200-250k isk or whatever, but there are some games where you get double or triple that depending on your pefromance and what you destroyed on the enemy team (200k isk is a low game for me for example when I run with my normal squad).
Granted, the salvage is nice... but its not consistent and 80% + of it is probably useless for most people and their roles.
Plus FW gives zero isk.
The math is just bad. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
1202
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:46:00 -
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Yup. Let's just kick the Amarr and Caldari while they're down, huh CCP? Well, I'm going back to get Protostomped in pubs instead of FW now, at least I can make money there...
Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // The Plasma Cannon is NOT underpowered
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1584
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:47:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems. ^ That's what i was thinking 250k ISK average game payout in public = 50k ISK per proto weapon = 5 proto weapons per game. 650LP point payout = 100LP per proto weapon = 6.5 Proto weapons + 7k ISK per weapon. The numbers are really not that far off from pub matches tbh.
You can also use those weapons without the skills at 5
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
183
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:01:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems. ^ That's what i was thinking 250k ISK average game payout in public = 50k ISK per proto weapon = 5 proto weapons per game. 650LP point payout = 100LP per proto weapon = 6.5 Proto weapons + 7k ISK per weapon. The numbers are really not that far off from pub matches tbh.
Only if you win. You can profit in pubs, win or lose. The incentive for winning FW is increased standing. As it stands now, the LP payout at the highest standing doesn't justify the immense expense it takes to get there. Hence the win at any cost mentality that was present in FW, is longer justified. FW will go from intense battles, to BPO's & MLT gear. So exciting |
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4027
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:02:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:I dunno... Maybe if we do the math, 650 LP might not be as little as it seems.
Let's do the math
1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK
1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK
155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK
155 LP = 49,037 ISK
1 LP = 316.37 ISK
Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK
Level 10 losing = 165 LP = 52,200 ISK
Level 10 requires strong devotion for your faction, only earned after 200 wins for that faction.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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ResistanceGTA
Valor Tactical Operations
Immortal Coalition of New-Eden
75
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:40:00 -
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WTF, where did this change come from? Did they decide that since FW is broken, they should lower the rewards... Have any Caldari or Minmitar FW guys made a pure FW suit, Gal and Amarr can't because they have no high slot modules in FW (Amarr technically do, but, its a Heavy Weapon mod, not very useful).
I know they have fixes planned but, they didn't say anything, they just change stuff without telling us, the players, who need these rewarda. congrats to any individuals who actually got decent LP for wins before this change... |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2317
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:43:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Pride > Payout
Pride isn't doing much for pubs
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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