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ReGnYuM Imperfects 1486	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:44:00 - [1] - Quote I am beginning to see more and more use of it in PC Personally, I think it is one of the more skillful Guns. however, with the amount of stopping power it contains it should not be so effective in CQC. Here is what I think is fair: A) Reduction in RoF or B) +50%< to Hip Fire Spread Lets remain civil gentlemen. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Minmatar Crub Stomp
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2037	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:55:00 - [2] - Quote It seems that is was nerfed in CQC after 1.7. I could barely take down a Heavy's armor with it the last match I played with it :/ I'll be getting Proto Amarr Assault soon though, and then it won't matter >:) When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3753	Posted - 2013.12.13 12:56:00 - [3] - Quote I just want to see the Assault version nerfed into the ground. Hate that thing. SCR needs exactly that, less hipfire accuracy. Buff Shotguns
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 600	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:52:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: It seems that is was nerfed in CQC after 1.7. I could barely take down a Heavy's armor with it the last match I played with it :/ I'll be getting Proto Amarr Assault soon though, and then it won't matter >:) Lies LOL... I've been having a lot of fun with it
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 154	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:07:00 - [5] - Quote I think its fine the way it is, especially the assault version, I just wish it didnt out range the laser rifle making that weapon useless now, again.
Derrith Erador Pradox XVI 485	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:36:00 - [6] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: I think its fine the way it is, especially the assault version, I just wish it didnt out range the laser rifle making that weapon useless now, again. Yeah, I use both, because I'm hardcore Amarrican, but I don't like how my carthum can hit a guy from 30 meters and my laser has to be at just the right range to do anything. I love kittens with mittens
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 233	Posted - 2013.12.13 15:26:00 - [7] - Quote :^)
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:31:00 - [8] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I am beginning to see more and more use of it in PC Personally, I think it is one of the more skillful Guns. however with the amount of stopping power it contains, it should not be so effective in CQC. Here is what I think is fair: A) Reduction in RoF or B) +50%< to Hip Fire Spread Lets remain civil gentlemen. As much as I <3 my Viziam Scrambler, I can see the problem with it at the moment and would be totally okay with one of those changes. Knowing CCP though they'd do something dumb like reduce the mag size to 16.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:44:00 - [9] - Quote I'd go for option B since it's hard to reduce ROF on a semi auto weapon. The assault version needs a nerd badly though. Doubles ISK
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:11:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I am beginning to see more and more use of it in PC Personally, I think it is one of the more skillful Guns. however with the amount of stopping power it contains, it should not be so effective in CQC. Here is what I think is fair: A) Reduction in RoF or B) +50%< to Hip Fire Spread Lets remain civil gentlemen. Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine.

Zaria Min Deir Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 343	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:57:00 - [11] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine. Yeah, sure The ScR doesn't need a turbo controller to drop people stupidly fast, just like the TacAR of early Uprising didn't need a turbo controlled to drop people stupidly fast. Not saying no one uses a turbo controller on it, I'm sure there are people who do, but crying about a turbo controller because someone got the drop on you? Yeah ok. Regnyum, there is really not much point in starting threads about weapon balancing in the War Room, try General Discussion or Feedback, if you are actually serious about it. Though I agree, the ScR badly needs some balancing, and there are multiple threads on the topic. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:59:00 - [12] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine. Yeah, sure The ScR doesn't need a turbo controller to drop people stupidly fast, just like the TacAR of early Uprising didn't need a turbo controlled to drop people stupidly fast. Not saying no one uses a turbo controller on it, I'm sure there are people who do, but crying about a turbo controller because someone got the drop on you? Yeah ok. Regnyum, there is really not much point in starting threads about weapon balancing in the War Room, try General Discussion or Feedback, if you are actually serious about it. Though I agree, the ScR badly needs some balancing, and there are multiple threads on the topic. Just like you guys have never glitched in the past, right zaria? coughmeleeglitchercough No human being on earth can press his finger that fast while aiming at the same time, depleting 580+ shields and 420+ armor in the blink of an eye, and I'm a guy who can press a button 720+ times in 60 seconds.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:05:00 - [13] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: I am beginning to see more and more use of it in PC Personally, I think it is one of the more skillful Guns. however with the amount of stopping power it contains, it should not be so effective in CQC. Here is what I think is fair: A) Reduction in RoF or B) +50%< to Hip Fire Spread Lets remain civil gentlemen. Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine. Is it necessary to blame a CORP or call names to make a point?! Is it AE that you should be mad at or should it be CCP ?! Just by putting AE in your post, does it make it more relevant or important?! lol
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: I am beginning to see more and more use of it in PC Personally, I think it is one of the more skillful Guns. however with the amount of stopping power it contains, it should not be so effective in CQC. Here is what I think is fair: A) Reduction in RoF or B) +50%< to Hip Fire Spread Lets remain civil gentlemen. Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine. Is it necessary to blame a CORP or call names to make a point?! Is it AE that you should be mad at or should it be CCP ?! Just by putting AE in your post, does it make it more relevant or important?! lol That has never happened to me once outside of the guy in AE during PC who used a turbo controller to kill me, so I felt like it was important to reference what corp he was a part of the same one that has a history of glitching to win
DJINN Rampage Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 917	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote lol we've only got one guy on our whole team who even uses scrambler rifles, and he's just good with it. its called skill ****, we don't QQ everytime we get 2 shotted wit our brick suits by 0uter.Heaven's 13 ScR a game. we could cry about turbo controllers alll day but we're gentlemen and this game is about competition. not btches crying about every exploit possible. GG ko"brah" ill make sure to pull out my turbo remote for the next game i see you in ;) GÿúLevel 1 Forum WarriorGÖô GÿáTemplar of the Exiled.GäóGÖå Gÿå GÖí.GÖí Gÿ» Gÿ« ... Who Gives A Flux
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:24:00 - [16] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: lol we've only got one guy on our whole team who even uses scrambler rifles, and he's just good with it. its called skill ****, we don't QQ everytime we get 2 shotted wit our brick suits by 0uter.Heaven's 13 ScR a game. we could cry about turbo controllers alll day but we're gentlemen and this game is about competition. not btches crying about every exploit possible. GG ko"brah" ill make sure to pull out my turbo remote for the next game i see you in ;) Good thing turbo controllers can't help you aim or I might be a little worried!
DJINN Loki Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 18	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:28:00 - [17] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I am beginning to see more and more use of it in PC Personally, I think it is one of the more skillful Guns. however with the amount of stopping power it contains, it should not be so effective in CQC. Here is what I think is fair: A) Reduction in RoF or B) +50%< to Hip Fire Spread Lets remain civil gentlemen. those are actually great ideas, and its hard to decide which one would be better. i personally think the weapon is only slightly OP and i would hate to impose a sever penalty to it. i would be ok with the hip fire spread idea, but i think 50% is too much. i think something along the lines of 10-20% hip fire spread would make it more balanced. word
XEROO COOL Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 196	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:37:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Lets remain civil gentlemen. . . . Yea that's gonna happen. As for the post.... SHHHH my ScR is the only think keeping me alive against these new guns! Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2267	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:39:00 - [19] - Quote Hipfire dude. the hipfire on that thing is INSANE. You should be able to take these things on in CQC where they should suck but you can't because they don't. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Zaria Min Deir Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 344	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:25:00 - [20] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine. Yeah, sure The ScR doesn't need a turbo controller to drop people stupidly fast, just like the TacAR of early Uprising didn't need a turbo controlled to drop people stupidly fast. Not saying no one uses a turbo controller on it, I'm sure there are people who do, but crying about a turbo controller because someone got the drop on you? Yeah ok. Just like you guys have never glitched in the past, right zaria? coughmeleeglitchercough No human being on earth can press his finger that fast while aiming at the same time, depleting 580+ shields and 420+ armor in the blink of an eye, and I'm a guy who can press a button 720+ times in 60 seconds. Yes, because like you're implying, I apparently melee glitched? Right? (Yes, you are probably referring to Arirana, as usual, as that seems to be your go to response to everything, but calling me a melee glitcher is a bit rich, even from you.) Also, do correct me if I'm wrong, but using a turbo controller is not a glitch? If it is, how so? And I'm not saying using one wouldn't give one an unfair advantage, it most likely does, though as I don't own one I am basing that on second hand information, but calling it a glitch? CCP designing a weapon that can be used to an effect beyond intended by them by the simple use of a special controller that is readily available is bad design, just like it was with the TacAR. And hopefully CCP will do something to rectify this along with many many other **** ups in their game. So as long as using a turbo controller gives someone an advantage, some people will use it, obviously. But you assuming every person who manages to kill you is automatically cheating in some way? lol (the Viziam ScR does, with proficiency and a couple of damage mods, what, over 100 damage per non charged shot, that's 10 shots that hit you, you are dead... even fewer with any headshots, way fewer than that if they start with a charge one, which they should, as they obviously had the drop on you... so yeah, you're dead before you have time to do much...) Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"

Zaria Min Deir Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 344	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:28:00 - [21] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Hipfire dude. the hipfire on that thing is INSANE. You should be able to take these things on in CQC where they should suck but you can't because they don't. This. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1844	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:32:00 - [22] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: lol we've only got one guy on our whole team who even uses scrambler rifles, and he's just good with it. its called skill ****, we don't QQ everytime we get 2 shotted wit our brick suits by 0uter.Heaven's 13 ScR a game. we could cry about turbo controllers alll day but we're gentlemen and this game is about competition. not btches crying about every exploit possible. GG ko"brah" ill make sure to pull out my turbo remote for the next game i see you in ;) Roner, Destoyer, Grease, Namob Boman. Does talos? Wait.....you've run scrambler in PC's you noob. Rail rifles hit just as much you damn. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
DJINN Rampage Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 917	Posted - 2013.12.13 23:08:00 - [23] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: lol we've only got one guy on our whole team who even uses scrambler rifles, and he's just good with it. its called skill ****, we don't QQ everytime we get 2 shotted wit our brick suits by 0uter.Heaven's 13 ScR a game. we could cry about turbo controllers alll day but we're gentlemen and this game is about competition. not btches crying about every exploit possible. GG ko"brah" ill make sure to pull out my turbo remote for the next game i see you in ;) Roner, Destoyer, Grease, Namob Boman. Does talos? Wait.....you've run scrambler in PC's you noob. Rail rifles hit just as much you damn. roner? ooh you mean our shotgunner? boman is the specialist and grease is our sniper :D EDIT: DESTROYER of GALAXIES i forgot about him since the dude barely plays.. guess we run two, sue us. :D compared to your 13 it's barely a stain GÿúLevel 1 Forum WarriorGÖô GÿáTemplar of the Exiled.GäóGÖå Gÿå GÖí.GÖí Gÿ» Gÿ« ... Who Gives A Flux
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1845	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:21:00 - [24] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: lol we've only got one guy on our whole team who even uses scrambler rifles, and he's just good with it. its called skill ****, we don't QQ everytime we get 2 shotted wit our brick suits by 0uter.Heaven's 13 ScR a game. we could cry about turbo controllers alll day but we're gentlemen and this game is about competition. not btches crying about every exploit possible. GG ko"brah" ill make sure to pull out my turbo remote for the next game i see you in ;) Roner, Destoyer, Grease, Namob Boman. Does talos? Wait.....you've run scrambler in PC's you noob. Rail rifles hit just as much you damn. roner? ooh you mean our shotgunner? boman is the specialist and grease is our sniper :D EDIT: DESTROYER of GALAXIES i forgot about him since the dude barely plays.. guess we run two, sue us. :D compared to your 13 it's barely a stain LOLOL you're a joke that's full of **. Even regnyum runs it now because it's OP. I don't, but tons of your guys run it lulz and the fact you're pulling this is so funny. HDTT, Roner abandoned the shotty lol. Destroyer plays a ** tons of the games. And grease snipes as well, but runs it more often. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3332	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:24:00 - [25] - Quote I run scrambler sometimes. But the CR is OP as **... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3** \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Long Evity 744	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:28:00 - [26] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I run scrambler sometimes. But the CR is OP as ****... I've been trying to convince regynum that the CR is way more OP then the ScR But both are broken, honestly. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1845	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:31:00 - [27] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I run scrambler sometimes. But the CR is OP as ***... the duvolle is UP now lol. QQ Pretty much every AE battle is Arirana leading the pack of the new FOTM tank spam, d/ces, and SCR/CR/RR and high ground with tanks that prevent a counter. PC before this patch was fun. 1.7 PC is lulz. It's just lulz. I'm close to quitting till they fix tanks. I dropped the full capacity of my swarms into madmatt, and then dropped a full NOTHER capacity (not one reload, the entire ammo the SL can hold with ammo capacity 3) and his tank was repping through it, 2 damage mods. It took a forge and me to make him run...not die, run. and then they just sent a blaster tank and killed the infantry and began guarding the point again. Master* naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2048	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:45:00 - [28] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I run scrambler sometimes. But the CR is OP as ****... The RR is very OP smh needs a bit of a range or rate of fire nerf IMO. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
KaoticKrusader 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 32	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:51:00 - [29] - Quote Lol. I'll give you 100 mil isks if you can name those same 13 O.H members with ScR
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2048	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:54:00 - [30] - Quote KaoticKrusader wrote: Lol. I'll give you 100 mil isks if you can name those same 13 O.H members with ScR Quick, someone tell me their names!!! When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!

Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 610	Posted - 2013.12.14 04:09:00 - [31] - Quote lower damage to 65 at proto. balances damage with the rof to the TAC LOGIC! NO! IT BURRRRNNNSSS!!!!!!
DJINN Rampage Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 917	Posted - 2013.12.14 04:16:00 - [32] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: KaoticKrusader wrote: Lol. I'll give you 100 mil isks if you can name those same 13 O.H members with ScR Quick, someone tell me their names!!! hold on 13 0.H members? LOL does 0.H even HAVE 13 members? GÿúLevel 1 Forum WarriorGÖô GÿáTemplar of the Exiled.GäóGÖå Gÿå GÖí.GÖí Gÿ» Gÿ« ... Who Gives A Flux
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 610	Posted - 2013.12.14 04:16:00 - [33] - Quote Long Evity wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: I run scrambler sometimes. But the CR is OP as ****... I've been trying to convince regynum that the CR is way more OP then the ScR But both are broken, honestly. the burst CR is very mean to heavies lol, but assault CR is honestly very balanced. i think its good to have a weapon to counter japanese gal logi 750 armor noobs. LOGIC! NO! IT BURRRRNNNSSS!!!!!!
GRIM GEAR NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 129	Posted - 2013.12.14 04:47:00 - [34] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Caught some turd in AE the other day using it with a turbo controller, killed my 1K+ EHP caldari assault before I had time to realize what I was getting hit with RoF needs to be reduced for the imperial version, otherwise it's fine. Yeah, sure The ScR doesn't need a turbo controller to drop people stupidly fast, just like the TacAR of early Uprising didn't need a turbo controlled to drop people stupidly fast. Not saying no one uses a turbo controller on it, I'm sure there are people who do, but crying about a turbo controller because someone got the drop on you? Yeah ok. Regnyum, there is really not much point in starting threads about weapon balancing in the War Room, try General Discussion or Feedback, if you are actually serious about it. Though I agree, the ScR badly needs some balancing, and there are multiple threads on the topic. Just like you guys have never glitched in the past, right zaria? coughmeleeglitchercough No human being on earth can press his finger that fast while aiming at the same time, depleting 580+ shields and 420+ armor in the blink of an eye, and I'm a guy who can press a button 720+ times in 60 seconds. A charged headshot followed up with another 5 or so rapid shots will kill fast, espeacially with prof 5 and 3 damage mods. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1874	Posted - 2013.12.14 07:14:00 - [35] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Lets remain civil gentlemen. . . . Yea that's gonna happen. As for the post.... SHHHH my ScR is the only think keeping me alive against these new guns! tbqh The War Room is more civil than GD, I love and hate GD. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a normal person, if I seem like a douche it's because I hate 90% of people on these forums
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 310	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:30:00 - [36] - Quote I'm totally cool with giving the SCR more hipfire spread. If this also applies for the Rail-Rifle, the AR finally gets some kind of kick and the laser receives a meaningful role on the field again. Seriously, I think especially with the new rifles the scr is pretty much balanced. to really get it useful you have to use the amarr assault suit, something which applies to no other weapon in the game. so 1,2 mil SP more to skill for just one weapon. think thats pretty fair, other then most auto weapons it also requieres good aiminng while you keep your overheat in mind, not like the other pay and spray variants. think the scr qq should be finally over, the weapon is like it is since uprising, all the qq came up 3 weeks ago, dunno why, maybe because of boredom, the rr is a perfect counter to the scr for it does more dmg to armor and if you run your amarr assault suit to use the scr thats pretty much your weak point. the range buff seemed pretty random before 1.7, now I only can say it was the right decision, its the most tactical gun of qll the AR guns and should have the biggest range for its singleshot nature. another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2214	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:00:00 - [37] - Quote The Carthum is fine....but the Imperial needs the exact same series of nerfs that the Duvolle Tact got those months back. Reduction in clip size, significant recoil and bullet spread when hip firing, and reduction in ROF weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1660	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:21:00 - [38] - Quote It would also discourage logis from using them as omni-weapons. I don't care if the hipfire spread is changed because I use an ishukone smg a anyways Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2115	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:30:00 - [39] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: The Carthum is fine....but the Imperial needs the exact same series of nerfs that the Duvolle Tact got those months back. Reduction in clip size, significant recoil and bullet spread when hip firing, and reduction in ROF There can't be recoil or bullet spread on a Laser weapon. It needs to have a slightly reduced efficiency in CQC as well as be more accurate in CQC, so it takes more skill to land those shots. The Rail Rifle is terribly OP though. It does pretty much full damage at all ranges. Every light weapon does, and they do it so good, that since 1.7, I haven't seen a single heavy holding an HMG. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 128	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:13:00 - [40] - Quote As a Caldari, I've always thought the ScR was a bit OP. Since the introduction of the RR and CR, I think the field has been equalized.



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