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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:40:00 -
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I like the idea of how fast the tanks are. They can easily be worth 500k-1mil isk. It got very annoying when they were so easily destroyed by an AV guy, whose suit was worth about 200k isk AT MOST. AV really should not have been able to take out an HAV solo. People try to compare AV vs HAV to modern, real life tech, not realizing that HAV's are tanks of the future. Seriously though, don't listen to these whiners out there.
Dear players: it was unacceptable how a cheap suit could have taken out such an expensive piece of equipment. Now CCP is simply requiring AV teamwork. Its not that hard. This is only day 3 of the update and I've lost two tanks, so its not impossible to take them out. I haven't played today, but I'm expecting to lose a third HAV today too. Hard work, teamwork, and perseverance is they key to take out an HAV AVer's. Keep at trying and not whining, and you can still see us go KA-BOOM like a firecracker.
Before you judge me, I'm skilled in all battlefield roles. AV included. |
Nazz'Dragg
planetary retaliation organisation
18
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Posted - 2013.12.13 13:41:00 -
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There not finished with HAV yet they need to make like drop ships where you have one person driving them and another shooting the big gun.
Amarr pray for God, Caldari pray for Money, Gallente pray for Peace and Minmatar pray their crap holds together.
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Astaroth King
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
8
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:09:00 -
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General12912 wrote:I like the idea of how fast the tanks are. They can easily be worth 500k-1mil isk. It got very annoying when they were so easily destroyed by an AV guy, whose suit was worth about 200k isk AT MOST. AV really should not have been able to take out an HAV solo. People try to compare AV vs HAV to modern, real life tech, not realizing that HAV's are tanks of the future. Seriously though, don't listen to these whiners out there.
Dear players: it was unacceptable how a cheap suit could have taken out such an expensive piece of equipment. Now CCP is simply requiring AV teamwork. Its not that hard. This is only day 3 of the update and I've lost two tanks, so its not impossible to take them out. I haven't played today, but I'm expecting to lose a third HAV today too. Hard work, teamwork, and perseverance is they key to take out an HAV AVer's. Keep at trying and not whining, and you can still see us go KA-BOOM like a firecracker.
Before you judge me, I'm skilled in all battlefield roles. AV included.
When it takes 5~10 AV suits (1 mil~2mil ISK) to kill even a basic tank (~500k ISK) the system is broken.
Also the fact that AV suits are vulnerable to other infantry suits and usually die after only doing minor damage to an HAV due to either another HAV or Infantry support.
When it takes more than 1 person to kill a tank that is run by 1 person the game loses balance - since the more AV suits your team has to have deployed the fewer clones you'll be killing.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:35:00 -
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General12912 wrote:People try to compare AV vs HAV to modern, real life tech, not realizing that AV's are AVs of the future. Seriously though, don't listen to these whiners out there.
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Samoset Detrium
G.R.A.V.E
7
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:15:00 -
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It can be done, all it took for me last night was a bit of co-ordination between myself and another AV user, plus the tank running main distraction to destroy one. If its that easy to get into the tanking business now then by all means do it and find your calling. If your going to whine about not being able to be the "Rambo" of the bunch in a tactical team game anyways, then find the solution in a Anti-Tank HAV. That's what should be happening more often now.
I am a AV user myself, and yes I do not like the changes they made to my job, but to be honest between all of us. no one single person should have been able to destroy a tank on their own anyways.
Granted, they do have to fix the speed a bit, keep the buffs to health though.
You yourself have to Agree General that when you start moving, its like watching a moving fortress with the speed of an LAV.
Im not saying completely remove the Speed increase, just tune it down a bit so we can have a semi-decent shot at getting on the field into vital areas. Cant easily do that when all it takes is one Tank to keep the entire map in check thanks to speed, not to actual firepower.
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
725
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Posted - 2013.12.13 18:43:00 -
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General12912 wrote:People try to compare AV vs HAV to modern, real life tech, not realizing that HAV's are tanks of the future.
And Swarm Launchers are the AV of the future. I'm not seeing your point here...
Humanity is the personification of change.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
34
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Posted - 2013.12.14 04:13:00 -
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Samoset Detrium wrote:It can be done, all it took for me last night was a bit of co-ordination between myself and another AV user, plus the tank running main distraction to destroy one. If its that easy to get into the tanking business now then by all means do it and find your calling. If your going to whine about not being able to be the "Rambo" of the bunch in a tactical team game anyways, then find the solution in a Anti-Tank HAV. That's what should be happening more often now. I am a AV user myself, and yes I do not like the changes they made to my job, but to be honest between all of us. no one single person should have been able to destroy a tank on their own anyways. Granted, they do have to fix the speed a bit, keep the buffs to health though. You yourself have to Agree General that when you start moving, its like watching a moving fortress with the speed of an LAV. Im not saying completely remove the Speed increase, just tune it down a bit so we can have a semi-decent shot at getting on the field into vital areas. Cant easily do that when all it takes is one Tank to keep the entire map in check thanks to speed, not to actual firepower.
The gallentean tank is fast, but slow on acceleration
The caldari tank is slow, but fast on acceration
The main reason why the Gallentean tank is slow is because CCP is expecting people to armor tank them, which would slow them down jurastically.
As for the whole future tank thing, who is to say if the AV or the HAV is ahead in technology. Well, the fact is that if a tank is going to be that expensive, it should rightfully be more advanced in tech.
AV whiners: I have come to the conclusion that if most of you can't take out an HAV, then u aren't doing it right. So either adapt, or find a new role. You are not worthy of calling yourself an AVer. All the AVer's I talk to are able to take out an HAV easily. Turn away from the swarm launcher if you have to, and skill into the high-end forge guns.
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
257
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Posted - 2013.12.14 04:43:00 -
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General12912 wrote:Samoset Detrium wrote:It can be done, all it took for me last night was a bit of co-ordination between myself and another AV user, plus the tank running main distraction to destroy one. If its that easy to get into the tanking business now then by all means do it and find your calling. If your going to whine about not being able to be the "Rambo" of the bunch in a tactical team game anyways, then find the solution in a Anti-Tank HAV. That's what should be happening more often now. I am a AV user myself, and yes I do not like the changes they made to my job, but to be honest between all of us. no one single person should have been able to destroy a tank on their own anyways. Granted, they do have to fix the speed a bit, keep the buffs to health though. You yourself have to Agree General that when you start moving, its like watching a moving fortress with the speed of an LAV. Im not saying completely remove the Speed increase, just tune it down a bit so we can have a semi-decent shot at getting on the field into vital areas. Cant easily do that when all it takes is one Tank to keep the entire map in check thanks to speed, not to actual firepower. The gallentean tank is fast, but slow on acceleration The caldari tank is slow, but fast on acceration The main reason why the Gallentean tank is slow is because CCP is expecting people to armor tank them, which would slow them down jurastically. As for the whole future tank thing, who is to say if the AV or the HAV is ahead in technology. Well, the fact is that if a tank is going to be that expensive, it should rightfully be more advanced in tech. AV whiners: I have come to the conclusion that if most of you can't take out an HAV, then u aren't doing it right. So either adapt, or find a new role. You are not worthy of calling yourself an AVer. All the AVer's I talk to are able to take out an HAV easily. Turn away from the swarm launcher if you have to, and skill into the high-end forge guns.
You want it to take teamwork to kill a tank? make it require teamwork to operate the tank at all. Otherwise require 1 AV suit to kill 1 vehicle. Otherwise the game is broken. |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
34
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Posted - 2013.12.14 04:55:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:General12912 wrote:Samoset Detrium wrote:It can be done, all it took for me last night was a bit of co-ordination between myself and another AV user, plus the tank running main distraction to destroy one. If its that easy to get into the tanking business now then by all means do it and find your calling. If your going to whine about not being able to be the "Rambo" of the bunch in a tactical team game anyways, then find the solution in a Anti-Tank HAV. That's what should be happening more often now. I am a AV user myself, and yes I do not like the changes they made to my job, but to be honest between all of us. no one single person should have been able to destroy a tank on their own anyways. Granted, they do have to fix the speed a bit, keep the buffs to health though. You yourself have to Agree General that when you start moving, its like watching a moving fortress with the speed of an LAV. Im not saying completely remove the Speed increase, just tune it down a bit so we can have a semi-decent shot at getting on the field into vital areas. Cant easily do that when all it takes is one Tank to keep the entire map in check thanks to speed, not to actual firepower. The gallentean tank is fast, but slow on acceleration The caldari tank is slow, but fast on acceration The main reason why the Gallentean tank is slow is because CCP is expecting people to armor tank them, which would slow them down jurastically. As for the whole future tank thing, who is to say if the AV or the HAV is ahead in technology. Well, the fact is that if a tank is going to be that expensive, it should rightfully be more advanced in tech. AV whiners: I have come to the conclusion that if most of you can't take out an HAV, then u aren't doing it right. So either adapt, or find a new role. You are not worthy of calling yourself an AVer. All the AVer's I talk to are able to take out an HAV easily. Turn away from the swarm launcher if you have to, and skill into the high-end forge guns. You want it to take teamwork to kill a tank? make it require teamwork to operate the tank at all. Otherwise require 1 AV suit to kill 1 vehicle. Otherwise the game is broken.
It should take teamwork to kill a tank because of the price. It shouldn't take teamwork to drive a tank because not even playing AV as a team requires that much coordination. All it requires is a couple of people that are willing to use the nearest supply depot to switch to their AV suits.
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Otavio Martins
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.12.14 05:54:00 -
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Nazz'Dragg wrote:There not finished with HAV yet they need to make like drop ships where you have one person driving them and another shooting the big gun.
that would be an terrible idea, just thinking in relying in another human makes my ISK account pissed.
I play games with my laptop while i'm in the toilet making orbital bombardments.
Star Wars Fan.
Please gimme some ISK.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
634
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Posted - 2013.12.14 06:22:00 -
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General12912 wrote:I like the idea of how fast the tanks are. They can easily be worth 500k-1mil isk. It got very annoying when they were so easily destroyed by an AV guy, whose suit was worth about 200k isk AT MOST. AV really should not have been able to take out an HAV solo. People try to compare AV vs HAV to modern, real life tech, not realizing that HAV's are tanks of the future. Seriously though, don't listen to these whiners out there.
Dear players: it was unacceptable how a cheap suit could have taken out such an expensive piece of equipment. Now CCP is simply requiring AV teamwork. Its not that hard. This is only day 3 of the update and I've lost two tanks, so its not impossible to take them out. I haven't played today, but I'm expecting to lose a third HAV today too. Hard work, teamwork, and perseverance is they key to take out an HAV AVer's. Keep at trying and not whining, and you can still see us go KA-BOOM like a firecracker.
Before you judge me, I'm skilled in all battlefield roles. AV included.
so because you are losing 1 tank per day then its all balanced out. what about the 30-40 players every day trying without success to kill you in that 1 tank. you might lose 500k a day but earn millions in exchange. meanwhile those cheap suits you are going on about are adv/prot suits with proto swarms and complex damage mods costing the user probably 100k a pop. losing maybe 3 or 4 per match and not getting any tank kills
i would be interested to find out exactly the cost lost of all av weapons and the gear people used with them compared to tank costs lost since the patch. i'd bet av is more than tanks. and at the same time how much did those tankers earned compared to those av player. i'd bet that it was the tankers earning more.
also av weapons in RL have advanced 10x faster than av defences since ww2. what makes you think it would be any different in the future. a modern day single shot, unguided shoulder launched weapon the size of a poster tube costing something like 1-1.5k can incapacitate or even destroy and modern tank costing millions.
i have heavy skilled into swarms. when i can't take out a mlt tank after skilling so heavy into it but at the same time can spawn in militia tanks with no skills and only mlt gear on it and can dominate. how can anyone possibly call that balanced.
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General Erick
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
178
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Posted - 2013.12.14 08:56:00 -
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General12912 wrote:I like the idea of how fast the tanks are. They can easily be worth 500k-1mil isk. It got very annoying when they were so easily destroyed by an AV guy, whose suit was worth about 200k isk AT MOST. AV really should not have been able to take out an HAV solo. People try to compare AV vs HAV to modern, real life tech, not realizing that HAV's are tanks of the future. Seriously though, don't listen to these whiners out there.
Dear players: it was unacceptable how a cheap suit could have taken out such an expensive piece of equipment. Now CCP is simply requiring AV teamwork. Its not that hard. This is only day 3 of the update and I've lost two tanks, so its not impossible to take them out. I haven't played today, but I'm expecting to lose a third HAV today too. Hard work, teamwork, and perseverance is they key to take out an HAV AVer's. Keep at trying and not whining, and you can still see us go KA-BOOM like a firecracker.
Before you judge me, I'm skilled in all battlefield roles. AV included.
I can sense the butthurt in this post.
My Big Brother is watching you.
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