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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:28:00 -
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OH MY GOD A DIRTY VEHICLE SCUM WANTS AV BUFFED?!
Yes, actually, I do. For a guided missile weapon, the Swarm Launcher has pathetically slow missiles.
To clarify, its prior ability to do thousands of damage without the user even having to aim was completely broken, but now that its damage has been brought into better balance the slow-as-dog-**** flight speed of its missiles has become far more evident. There are quite a few baseball pitchers that can THROW faster than the Swarms in this game.
I realize that the broken Militia Nitrous injector is the primary cause of difficulty in hitting HAVs with Swarms, for example, but they should really be fast enough to make that less of an issue in the first place.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7445
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:30:00 -
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Seems like a reasonable request.
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
896
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:31:00 -
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I'm starting to get fed up with people asking for balance around a bug. Wait for the bug to get fixed and see how it all pans out first.
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
4076
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:34:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:I'm starting to get fed up with people asking for balance around a bug. Wait for the bug to get fixed and see how it all pans out first.
Uh, I'm not.
I'm well aware of the bug, but the fact remains that even without it and even if our vehicles had a third the speed they do now, those missiles would still be flying stupidly slow.
If it wasn't clear from my OP, I'm a pilot. Dropships. AV is the bane of my existence, but I still think I shouldn't be able to just tap an afterburner and leave them all behind me.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
329
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:39:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:OH MY GOD A DIRTY VEHICLE SCUM WANTS AV BUFFED?!
Yes, actually, I do. For a guided missile weapon, the Swarm Launcher has pathetically slow missiles.
To clarify, its prior ability to do thousands of damage without the user even having to aim was completely broken, but now that its damage has been brought into better balance the slow-as-dog-**** flight speed of its missiles has become far more evident. There are quite a few baseball pitchers that can THROW faster than the Swarms in this game.
I realize that the broken Militia Nitrous injector is the primary cause of difficulty in hitting HAVs with Swarms, for example, but they should really be fast enough to make that less of an issue in the first place.
It is not only a problem with the Bug even in 1.6 a well fitted LAV could outrun swarms i would accept that for a DS but a LAV? |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:42:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:OH MY GOD A DIRTY VEHICLE SCUM WANTS AV BUFFED?!
Yes, actually, I do. For a guided missile weapon, the Swarm Launcher has pathetically slow missiles.
To clarify, its prior ability to do thousands of damage without the user even having to aim was completely broken, but now that its damage has been brought into better balance the slow-as-dog-**** flight speed of its missiles has become far more evident. There are quite a few baseball pitchers that can THROW faster than the Swarms in this game.
I realize that the broken Militia Nitrous injector is the primary cause of difficulty in hitting HAVs with Swarms, for example, but they should really be fast enough to make that less of an issue in the first place. It is not only a problem with the Bug even in 1.6 a well fitted LAV could outrun swarms i would accept that for a DS but a LAV?
Precisely my point! Good example.
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
993
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:51:00 -
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Swarm speed isn't the problem. The problem is nitrous. It is way too effective right now on any vehicle. Armor tanks are twice as effective at hit and run than shield tanks. CCP needs to nerf nitrous to 1.6 levels.
So about those vehicle locks...
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Rich o
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
149
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:13:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Swarm speed isn't the problem. The problem is nitrous.
No and yes. Nitrous is a problem because it's bugged. Swarm speed is a problem because they are way too slow. Look at Thema flying. Even rockets out of a turret are faster than those swarms are. It's a pain to see dropships flying away as if they aren't followed by swarms at all. To summarize this up: swarm speed is lol
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maeth-01 2501
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:02:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:OH MY GOD A DIRTY VEHICLE SCUM WANTS AV BUFFED?!
Yes, actually, I do. For a guided missile weapon, the Swarm Launcher has pathetically slow missiles.
To clarify, its prior ability to do thousands of damage without the user even having to aim was completely broken, but now that its damage has been brought into better balance the slow-as-dog-**** flight speed of its missiles has become far more evident. There are quite a few baseball pitchers that can THROW faster than the Swarms in this game.
I realize that the broken Militia Nitrous injector is the primary cause of difficulty in hitting HAVs with Swarms, for example, but they should really be fast enough to make that less of an issue in the first place.
I had a lot of spare SP laying around and 2/3 weeks ago I had the bright idea of making an AV fit did not fancy the forge gun so was going to go with Explosives (seen some good players that have explosives for primary weapon) or the Swarm
As I have had some fun with the Swarm I went with that and Prototyped into it.......
Now I can cause some damage I thought to myself and for a couple of weeks it was ok and you went around having your fun... getting taken out by snipers, dropships getting landed on you and just the general problems Swarmie have... because lets face it Swarm launchers are just crap on the ground and you need to be up high to use them....
The other night there were 3 of us spread out around an area, enemy tanks drive right in front of us no more than 40 to 45 meters away, we all fired.. no less than 14 rockets in the first volley heading his way.... second volley away.....third volley......oh hang on a second....where has the tank gone???
Now I know tanks are not slow in the slightest in real life or in the game.... but to be able out pace Anti vehicle missiles on a straight run and do two 90 degree turns, one at the start of the sprint and one at the end to hide behind a wall seems just far to much...
I always thought the Swarms could cause great damage and there slowness balanced them out.... now like you said they are just pathetically slow.... This is great that a vehicle user actually notice this
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
289
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:09:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:OH MY GOD A DIRTY VEHICLE SCUM WANTS AV BUFFED?!
Yes, actually, I do. For a guided missile weapon, the Swarm Launcher has pathetically slow missiles.
To clarify, its prior ability to do thousands of damage without the user even having to aim was completely broken, but now that its damage has been brought into better balance the slow-as-dog-**** flight speed of its missiles has become far more evident. There are quite a few baseball pitchers that can THROW faster than the Swarms in this game.
I realize that the broken Militia Nitrous injector is the primary cause of difficulty in hitting HAVs with Swarms, for example, but they should really be fast enough to make that less of an issue in the first place.
As a tanker, I agree.
No I don't use milita nitrous. Complex fuel injector.
Tank speed is still FAST even when you are not using the milita injector. Swarms NEED a speed buff.
Tanks as it is now, can get behind cover, be it hills or a building, in the time it takes a swarm to get near! Couple this with the range nerf, and you will have a more balanced swarm.
This tanker agrees, that AV needs a little loving, or they need to fing nerf the milia tanks. (I'm more for the latter)
Nuff Said
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
717
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:29:00 -
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I've been saying this for months now. Swarm missiles should move faster and track slower, so you actually have to aim to hit fast targets, but fast targets wouldn't be able to just outrun the missiles.
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The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
389
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Posted - 2013.12.14 02:48:00 -
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Plasma cannon's projectile speed should be increased too. |
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