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Guilbert 515
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:04:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Except they need a bit of a speed nerf, but you have to have patience!!!
Follow the tank around (keep a distance) in your LAV, wait till the thing stops shinning and put yourself between his redline and the tank! YOu will most likely own this dude!
Normally when the tank retreats. its because his resistance is off and he's in trouble so he goes to his redline.. but you stand inbetween him and the redline and take him out.
At the current situation if any tank driver retreats he's a freaking coward with no skills at all driving a tank.
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Michael Hyperthraz
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:05:00 -
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Tanks are fine now. Just a little bit too fast. They are no longer ultra easy to kill and this is how tanks should be. |
Galthur
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:18:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Follow the tank around (keep a distance) in your LAV, wait till the thing stops shinning and put yourself between his redline and the tank! YOu will most likely own this dude! Sounds reasonable. A couple of questions though:- 1. How do you stop the tank from killing anyone while you are following him around? If he's happily killing things through all of this, and you can only kill him once, isn't he going to come out ahead even if you do kill him? 2. Given that he's in a tank and you are in a jeep, how do you stop him killing you? Dude, its sooooo easy to avoid a tank, you can literally strafe through blaster fire.. 2. What don't you get about keeping a distance!
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1889
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:21:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
Dude my MLT tank took a clip and half proto yesterday, 2 av aren't gonna do ****
As I said all the strategies I have been presented with are
1) Hide and hope the tank is an idiot!
2) Get a tanker who isn't an idiot
And you still try to tell me its not OP?
How about get an AV player who isnt an idiot? |
4447
Resolution XIII
935
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:29:00 -
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Guys you argue the fact that tanks are OP
Here.
Here.
Is the Tank Really Obsolete?
by James Dunnigan
November 11, 2002
For several decades, the main battle tank has been declared obsolete. Like the battleship, another weapon that depended on big guns and thick armor, the tank was seen as inevitably done in by faster, cheaper and more numerous weapons. The first modern battleship was launched in 1906, but aircraft and submarines made the battleship obsolete, and none were built after 1945. The tank has lasted longer than that. First appearing in combat during World War I, the tank became a decisive weapon during World War II and continued to dominate battlefields to the present. That's over 80 years, twice as long as the battleship. But the tank, like the battleship, became too expensive and too vulnerable to cheaper weapons.
But there's another major factor that kept the tank going for so long; the Cold War arms race. Russia saw the tank as their principal land warfare weapon and produced over 100,000 of them after World War II. Russia introduced a new model every decade from 1945 to the 1990s. The World War II T-34 gave way to the T-54, then the T-62, the T-72, the T-80 and the T-90. The United States responded with the M-48, M-60 and M-1.
As the Arab-Israeli wars, and the 1991 Gulf War demonstrated, the American tanks in the hands of well trained crews could handily defeat larger numbers of Russian tanks. But the M-1, with it's use of high tech sensors, composite armor and depleted uranium shells, set a new standard for tank design and effectiveness. It also cost nearly five million dollars each. With Russia dropping out of the arms race when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and no one else willing, or able, to afford a tank to match the M-1, the end of the line has been reached. Well, a few nations could match the M-1 (Israel, Britain and Germany), but none of these were willing to build many of them.
The United States ended up with 7,000 M-1s when the Cold War ended. Russia was selling off its best tanks for less than a million dollars each, but no one thought of these as anything more than targets in a battle with M-1s. The world will still have plenty of tanks for the next few decades, until the last of the 50,000 Cold War surplus Russian tanks rusts into uselessness.
But why should the tank disappear now? Simply because the main reason for the tank was to provide a weapon that could battle its way past determined infantry and their machine-guns, artillery and anti-tank weapons. With modern electronics, cheaper precision rockets and bombs can deliver the firepower and flexibility that only tanks could provide in the past. These new weapons are easier to use and maintain than tanks, which have always been complex and difficult to keep going. Just like admirals did the math and decided that submarines and aircraft were cheaper and more effective than battleships, generals the world over will consider their options and go with what they feel will work best. There won't be much choice. With few new tanks being built, and cheaper, more effective, weapons available.
There will have to be some battles to make the point. China and India are still building tanks, using technology far behind, and a lot cheaper than, the M-1. But with smarter and cheaper anti-tank weapons available (missiles, "smart mines" and air delivered robot tank killers like SADARM), it will only take one incident of the "cheap and smart" stuff beating up on a lot of tanks to make the point. Another telling sign is the lack of enthusiasm in America and Russia for designing a replacement for current tanks. At least not a replacement that features the "bigger gun and thicker armor" that has characterized tank development for the past 80 years.
Then again, it may be premature to write off the tank. For a weapon that has been dismissed as obsolete for decades, it still survives. True, there are a lot fewer tanks in use now (about 60,000) than there were at the end of the Cold War (over 100,000). And the new ones being built are not sufficient to replace those that wear out each year. Less affluent nations will still find tanks useful against their own citizens, or equally poor neighbors who also have some tanks. The math, however, is unavoidable. Unless a new arms race begins, the number of tanks in service will slowly decline year by year. Meanwhile, the number of "smart weapons" grows rapidly. The tank won't completely disappear soon, but never again will it be the key weapon for ground warfare.
Ref http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2002/20021111.asp
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
650
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:36:00 -
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The only counter to tanks is another tank or to use stealth to place remote explosives. Tanks either need to be MUCH more expensive or have a MASSIVE speed nerf |
howard sanchez
Sanchez Cartage llc
823
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:40:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I would like to pose a question, what exactly are infantry meant to do while tanks are hardner-god-mode?
And there is 5 of them?
What should I do? Well, when there are 5 people using proto FG hitting a tank, the tank goes down (especially those Armor tanks). 5 Av players make an effective team and so do 5 tanks. YOu have to remember that the Tanks resistances only last about 40 seconds at most. You wait him out, you hide behind a crate or something. A tank cannot waste his 40 second window to get kills by waiting for one guy. You will most likely survive. So we deploy 25 heavies, with full prototype? or We hide in a Corner and hope for the best? And your telling me tanks aren't OP?
40 seconds, monkey
You can't hide from the shiny vehicles for 40 seconds ( until they stop being shiny)? That is not OP |
Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
247
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:48:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I would like to pose a question, what exactly are infantry meant to do while tanks are hardner-god-mode?
And there is 5 of them?
What should I do? Well, when there are 5 people using proto FG hitting a tank, the tank goes down (especially those Armor tanks). 5 Av players make an effective team and so do 5 tanks. YOu have to remember that the Tanks resistances only last about 40 seconds at most. You wait him out, you hide behind a crate or something. A tank cannot waste his 40 second window to get kills by waiting for one guy. You will most likely survive. So we deploy 25 heavies, with full prototype? or We hide in a Corner and hope for the best? And your telling me tanks aren't OP? 40 seconds, monkey You can't hide from the shiny vehicles for 40 seconds ( until they stop being shiny)? That is not OP
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED !
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
143
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:50:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Av user's (some of them) are simple minded and anything that requiring more than 2 actions is impossible for them to comprehend, Even Though that 5k shield Gun logi is hardened there still going to shoot at it with swarms and Av nade's and Cry that there weapons don't work on a tank that have a passive resistance to them -_-
Agree. All the crying that tanks are op stems from literal years of being able to solo them. Now that they are in a good place and do what they should, everyone that doesnt drive is crying. Plus Im not even a pilot.
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Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
232
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:58:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Except they need a bit of a speed nerf, but you have to have patience!!!
Follow the tank around (keep a distance) in your LAV, wait till the thing stops shinning and put yourself between his redline and the tank! YOu will most likely own this dude!
Normally when the tank retreats. its because his resistance is off and he's in trouble so he goes to his redline.. but you stand inbetween him and the redline and take him out.
I find it funny how every example given for killing a tank takes place in a vacuum. Follow the tank around in your LAV and wait for its cooldowns. Meanwhile, you have 15 other redberry's to consider. Null cannons must be hacked and defended. Your own tanks are being chased by enemy AV... I have fallen prey to this sort of narrowminded tunnel vision. I have spent entire matches chasing tanks with my proto forge. I usually get the tank, but often lose the match because I didn't focus on objectives. When tanks become objectives in and of themselves... something isn't balanced right. |
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Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
130
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:01:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Except they need a bit of a speed nerf, but you have to have patience!!!
Follow the tank around (keep a distance) in your LAV, wait till the thing stops shinning and put yourself between his redline and the tank! YOu will most likely own this dude!
Normally when the tank retreats. its because his resistance is off and he's in trouble so he goes to his redline.. but you stand inbetween him and the redline and take him out.
okay
1. won't work... tank + LAV = crushed LAV
2. speed is bugged not OP -- no nerfs are necessary at this time UNTIL bugs are fixed
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
112
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:01:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:my tank has 20k ehp and requires coordinated effort to kill and I am not even using the bugged MLT nitro booster.
my proto suit dies in 0.5s to anything.
the fun part: tank is cheaper, I doubt that CCP has tested anything in this patch.
your an AVer. I doubt you even have a tank. |
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