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Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:04:00 - [1] - Quote FW is getting expensive... Not cause of the Loyalty store but because we don't get ISK Payouts. After blowing through quite a bit of ISK (even while using my cheaper fits) I see now that we definitely need ISK payouts in FW. We don't even get that much LP when we lose a FW battle so basically: there's a high risk and not so high reward for doing FW. Also, I'm noticing that the LP payouts even with higher standings aren't all that great. Maybe you should also consider making the LP multiply by 2 per Standing (or more) because just earning 100 + LP per lvl isn't cutting it. When I go into the loyalty store I can only purchase a tiny number of items before running out of LP. Which means it becomes a tough grind to even earn a substantial amount of LP to be able to spend. With the way these matches can be quite unbalanced, it gets rather tiresome. i sincerely hope you keep this in mind CCP, and hopefully bump up the rewards sooner rather than later. I'm enjoying 1.7 so far but as you can see the rest of the community are getting put off REAL fast -_- Best Pr0phet
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 480	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:07:00 - [2] - Quote True that! *Sagaris lover!!!*
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3472	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:08:00 - [3] - Quote Hopefully I see more threads like this and maybe seeing prototype suits will be a rare site sooner than I thought. This is very good news for me.
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:11:00 - [4] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Hopefully I see more threads like this and maybe seeing prototype suits will be a rare site sooner than I thought. This is very good news for me. I think it's awesome to have LP be an alternative to AUR and the stuff you get is impressive (not WOW factor) but impressive. Cheap, low-skill-required Proto suits.... and my personal favorite discovery: LESS CPU for certain weapons!!! :-P But yeah if CCP don't give us ISK payouts in FW ppl are going to go broke real fast lol
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1234	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:34:00 - [5] - Quote This is exactly what I warned them of before they released this. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way., thanks for the support. o7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 420	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:35:00 - [6] - Quote i actually like this about FW
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4637	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:38:00 - [7] - Quote ISK payouts wouldn't be needed if the LP payouts were enough. They aren't. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1314	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:39:00 - [8] - Quote I support no ISK payout for FW. If you want ISK, go play in one of the other modes. Get a little dough, come back to FW, get some LP, go back to other, get some ISK, enjoy splurging in Loyalty Store. It's cheaper to get factional gear to use instead of the ISK variants, so FW is paying off in a way. The higher your standing level, the more LP you get each game. Added note: I'm at standing four right now with Gallente. I don't quite remember how much I get per game, but it's over 400 each win. I can buy ten standard suits from the LP store at that level and still have LP left over. Moreover, it's only 450 ISK per suit compared to the 3k per suit for ISK variants. That's a 2550 ISK saving and I get the LP for winning. What's the issue? I have to keep winning. If you don't win, you don't get much. These standard suits are just an example (since I do run the standard BPO suits in other modes). There is plenty to be gotten from the store. If you win. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 457	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:41:00 - [9] - Quote I will agree to increasing a bit the LP payout. That should solve most of the issue. em ta kool t'nod
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1919	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:42:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: ISK payouts wouldn't be needed if the LP payouts were enough. They aren't. This. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4640	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:43:00 - [11] - Quote Yagihige wrote: I will agree to increasing a bit the LP payout. That should solve most of the issue. It should be a huge increase. Things against you in FW: -EVE Support can pummle you -Friendly fire, have to watch your fire + griefers -If you lose a match you barely get any payment -LP is limited to buying specific items of one race Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
dust badger SOUND Mercs Of Sound Mind 339	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:44:00 - [12] - Quote i would be happy if the LP store was just LP and not isk as well, as you will need to do public contracts as well hence why i have been using free suits and saving my LP for something fun / expensive to sell when we get a market SOOON TM
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 270	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:44:00 - [13] - Quote This is how it should be, I remember many on the forum in days past complained that you got isk and SP no matter if you won or lost a match, it mattered little if you won or lost. Now there is a real incentive to win the match, you get next to nothing if you loose beside some salvage. The same goes with isk payout, it keeps out isk farmers who would not contribute to the outcome of the match. Now we finally have a gamemode where winning or loosing actually means something. I love it, protostomping is rare, it really hurts loosing a proto suit having no isk income after the match. A gamemode where I actually appreciate my teammates running proto to help secure a Victory, unlike ambush matches which gets boring and often one sided. Most of my FW matches yesterday was really close and intense, lost some and won some. Only had one redlining match.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2187	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:45:00 - [14] - Quote Working as intended. Does a human face a wall and continue to walk into it or walk around it? To me, the removal of ISK payout is a smart move on their part. Suits are costly. To avoid high costs, its suggested by the community to run with a squad. Which forces teamwork. That's one aspect I can appreciate with what they did. The mechanic reinforces the very idea of New Eden and what you need to do to survive in it. No matter your endeavor, it must be fueled by the proper means. In FW, that's ISK. Second, as a thinking person, you should then realize that your time needs to be divided up between pub matches and the FW. You keep playing FW and losing ISK, you need to adjust your strategy. It's a shake and mix presentation they have given us. New Eden is based on choices and the penalties of them. Yes, you can choose that weapon but look at it's downsides and pluses to judge. Yes you can fly that DS, but make sure the fit is appropriate for the situation. Yes you can play FW all the time, provided that you have a steady flow of income coming. That forces the player to either take to pubs. Or if not already, join a corporation for financial aid and for dropsuit loss padding. Consider PC and the money making scheme there. Plus the future players market also. CCP is adding dynamics to this game. Like EVE, you are beginning to get diverse choices. You must divide your time. You cannot simply do one thing and allow that to be the end all. Everything supports each other in its own way and forces you to rethink how you approach it. I, for one, enjoy the mechanic. Responsibility is a strong word in the world of New Eden. And irresponsibility gets you killed quicker in it. Whether its your wallet or your clones. Cause and effect Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 270	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:46:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Yagihige wrote: I will agree to increasing a bit the LP payout. That should solve most of the issue. It should be a huge increase. Things against you in FW: -EVE Support can pummle you -Friendly fire, have to watch your fire + griefers -If you lose a match you barely get any payment -LP is limited to buying specific items of one race According to the first FW dev blog the LP payout increases exponentially, and you almost end up getting 10.000 LP at level 10 for a Victory. That sounds like a reasonable payout.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4640	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:46:00 - [16] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: This is how it should be, I remember many on the forum in days past complained that you got isk and SP no matter if you won or lost a match, it mattered little if you won or lost. Now there is a real incentive to win the match, you get next to nothing if you loose beside some salvage. The same goes with isk payout, it keeps out isk farmers who would not contribute to the outcome of the match. Now we finally have a gamemode where winning or loosing actually means something. I love it, protostomping is rare, it really hurts loosing a proto suit having no isk income after the match. A gamemode where I actually appreciate my teammates running proto to help secure a Victory, unlike ambush matches which gets boring and often one sided. Most of my FW matches yesterday was really close and intense, lost some and won some. Only had one redlining match. If you're Gallente, you should play with me. I bring my Proto even though I know I probably won't go ISK positive, but I do it for the Federation :3 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4640	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:47:00 - [17] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Yagihige wrote: I will agree to increasing a bit the LP payout. That should solve most of the issue. It should be a huge increase. Things against you in FW: -EVE Support can pummle you -Friendly fire, have to watch your fire + griefers -If you lose a match you barely get any payment -LP is limited to buying specific items of one race According to the first FW dev blog the LP payout increases exponentially, and you almost end up getting 10.000 LP at level 10 for a Victory. That sounds like a reasonable payout. FoxFour falltened that curve right before 1.7 according to Hans. He doesn't know the exact number yet, but it's much smaller. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 457	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:51:00 - [18] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Yagihige wrote: I will agree to increasing a bit the LP payout. That should solve most of the issue. It should be a huge increase. Things against you in FW: -EVE Support can pummle you -Friendly fire, have to watch your fire + griefers -If you lose a match you barely get any payment -LP is limited to buying specific items of one race According to the first FW dev blog the LP payout increases exponentially, and you almost end up getting 10.000 LP at level 10 for a Victory. That sounds like a reasonable payout. If it works like that, then it should be fine by me. I'm still at lvl 1 standings so i don't know. em ta kool t'nod
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 269	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:52:00 - [19] - Quote What does max level in a faction give you for lp on win/loss? Also, you could choose to afk for lp or run free fits. Sandbagging for gal is working well for me as i dont have to do anything but punish tk's while i do homework and gain standing. Keep working hard out there! E: can we get some lounge chairs, an mcc sunroof and some pool boys with lotion tia
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 270	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:54:00 - [20] - Quote Yagihige wrote: Acturus Galaxy wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Yagihige wrote: I will agree to increasing a bit the LP payout. That should solve most of the issue. It should be a huge increase. Things against you in FW: -EVE Support can pummle you -Friendly fire, have to watch your fire + griefers -If you lose a match you barely get any payment -LP is limited to buying specific items of one race According to the first FW dev blog the LP payout increases exponentially, and you almost end up getting 10.000 LP at level 10 for a Victory. That sounds like a reasonable payout. If it works like that, then it should be fine by me. I'm still at lvl 1 standings so i don't know. Oho, they have updated the graph, or I have misread it previously. You end up getting around 50.000 LP at level 11, 10.000LP is reached around level 7. It start to rise after level 3-4. EDIT: A developer mentioned on the forum yesterday that LP payout was going to be changed, not sure how or if they have already implemented the change.

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 634	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:58:00 - [21] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: This is exactly what I warned them of before they released this. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way., thanks for the support. o7 We need a source of income, for example PVE ;). My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2586	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:59:00 - [22] - Quote I like it like this. It discourages the newberries & protobears. My only complaint is having zero recognition for my performance. Unless my presence can turn the battle, there is no incentive for me to fight. No.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11214	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:00:00 - [23] - Quote I would like to see a secondary market before we have to start resorting to isk payouts. In the meantime the isk for the items could be further adjusted. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Rail and Combat Rifle =// Unlocked
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1235	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:01:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: ISK payouts wouldn't be needed if the LP payouts were enough. They aren't. word
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 457	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:03:00 - [25] - Quote What's the payout at lvl 10 then? It might not be 10k LP anymore but i would be happy with even 5k LP. em ta kool t'nod
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1615	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:06:00 - [26] - Quote LP payouts aren't enough? I think it's just the system being broken. Level 4 you should be getting like 5k per win according to the charts they gave us. Apparently at level 6 you start getting about 10k lp per win (takes quite a few wins to get there though), and level 10 is 50k lp. At these kinds of payouts, you will be saving a ton of isk. Say a prototype suit and weapon are worth 100k total. LP wise they are only about 250 lp and 20k isk. That turns a 130k suit into a 50k suit that you can use 40 times after one match of FW (according to level 6 rewards). As long as you don't die more than 6 times in a public match you'll be making money with it. That's much better than having to die no more than 2 times to turn a profit. Right now FW doesn't give the correct rewards, or maybe it's just that people haven't gotten enough loyalty yet to increase their rewards by a significant amount. Personally I'll be running only free suits in there until I start earning at least 1k lp per match. Then I can start experimenting with FW suits. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 271	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:08:00 - [27] - Quote Yagihige wrote: What's the payout at lvl 10 then? It might not be 10k LP anymore but i would be happy with even 5k LP. According to the chart in the dev blog you should get close to 30-35.000LP at level 10
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 378	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:10:00 - [28] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: FW is getting expensive... Not cause of the Loyalty store but because we don't get ISK Payouts. After blowing through quite a bit of ISK (even while using my cheaper fits) I see now that we definitely need ISK payouts in FW. We don't even get that much LP when we lose a FW battle so basically: there's a high risk and not so high reward for doing FW. Also, I'm noticing that the LP payouts even with higher standings aren't all that great. Maybe you should also consider making the LP multiply by 2 per Standing (or more) because just earning 100 + LP per lvl isn't cutting it. When I go into the loyalty store I can only purchase a tiny number of items before running out of LP. Which means it becomes a tough grind to even earn a substantial amount of LP to be able to spend. With the way these matches can be quite unbalanced, it gets rather tiresome. i sincerely hope you keep this in mind CCP, and hopefully bump up the rewards sooner rather than later. I'm enjoying 1.7 so far but as you can see the rest of the community are getting put off REAL fast -_- Best Pr0phet They wanted FW to be an isk sink. Your complaints only pat them on the back for a job well done. You have full control over the amount of isk you lose in matches by the way; perhaps you should look inward for a solution? I have found LP rewards to be fairly generous, even with 0 standings. Everything in the loyalty store is dirt cheap in terms of isk and LP. I don't understand how you are having trouble getting the gear you want? People are getting "put off" as you put it, but not so much as by your grievances, but more so by the poor vehicle vs AV balance. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 381	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:13:00 - [29] - Quote Yagihige wrote: What's the payout at lvl 10 then? It might not be 10k LP anymore but i would be happy with even 5k LP. Hell even 2500 would be cool with me. LP stuff really isn't all that expensive tbqh. Even with my meager standings I'm now running a full proto suit where the suit, half the modules and some equipment are LP rewards and that was after only a nights worth of standings grinding. Something like 30k isk and 500 LP, not bad at all. All you have to do is not die, and with the New CR, I've had several flawless matches bar one where I got teamkilled by an AWOXer. As for isk returns on FW games, no, I don't want that. Finding a regular pub match now takes long enough as it is, (2 minutes); if FW paid out isk as well, there would be no reason to do pub matches at all. Also someone mentioned PVE, I fully support the implementation of PVE and am currently awaiting its arrival with baited breath by the end of 2012 like CCP promised. cough cough
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 773	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:14:00 - [30] - Quote i want CCP to give us all our heavy suits already, i dont want to keep playing for the amarr faction just to get my heavy suits and then switch to the minmatar faction to get my HMG right now trying to get LP for both sides is such a chore YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1877	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:26:00 - [31] - Quote I made this yesterday to show how you figure how to make FW pay for you. You should be able to do some algebra to make some sense of how much LP is giving you at various categories of equipment. One of the best returns are proto dropsuits. I think normally they are about 89k isk, but on the LP market they are 155 LP and 8k isk. That makes them more than 500 isk per LP. Which at that rate, if you get 350 LP in a match, that's like getting 175,000 isk. The complex armor mod was closer to something like 200 isk/LP which takes closer to 875 LP awarded per match to be equivalent in savings returns. You just have to be smart on what you spend your LP on. It would be most isk efficient to only use your LP on the most efficient purchases, but if you can make isk and LP faster than you can lose it, then maybe its worth it to you to have more goods you are getting with LP.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 458	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:47:00 - [32] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Yagihige wrote: What's the payout at lvl 10 then? It might not be 10k LP anymore but i would be happy with even 5k LP. According to the chart in the dev blog you should get close to 30-35.000LP at level 10 I'm cool with it then. It's just the entry cost until i get higher standings and then i should get a lot of benefits from it. em ta kool t'nod
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 102	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:16:00 - [33] - Quote So what you all are really trying to say is that you want so many LP that you can run in LP proto fittings ALL the time. What a bunch of CRAP.
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 823	Posted - 2013.12.12 16:02:00 - [34] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: This is exactly what I warned them of before they released this. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way., thanks for the support. o7 I disagree with the OP and CPM's position. I love that FW is on a different tier in terms of reward and risk vs pub and PC. I can clearly see where CCP is going. Next big thing: Dust player markets...the buying and selling of FW gear is where you will feel the isk payout. There will be a ton of demand for less expensive faction proto gear with decreased fitting reqs. You can run proto with enhanced skills at less isk cost than buying from the npc market. With the new FW, CCP has laid the groundwork for a functioning DUST economy. Stop demanding immediate gratification and look at the future potential. And fwiw: why are all of you people broke!? Maybe you should consider prioritizing your operating costs above your epeen needs. Seriously.
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2013.12.12 16:03:00 - [35] - Quote Good discussion everyone. Thanks
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3497	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:04:00 - [36] - Quote Thing is, LP payout is good enough, it's just at the lower levels they don't pay anything.
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:06:00 - [37] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Thing is, LP payout is good enough, it's just at the lower levels they don't pay anything. There seems to be a big gap between lvl 4 and 5 standing because so far I'm at lvl 4 and I've only seen an increase of 100 LP per lvl... apparently once you hit lvl 5 you start getting like 1000 LP i think?? IDK but I will try and reach lvl 5 today to see the difference.
steadyhand amarr Scions of Athra 2091	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:15:00 - [38] - Quote By the end of the month people will be swiming in lp im putting together an adv suit to grind out isk in pub match once i can afford a 100 of that suit i switch to FW :-) "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3497	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:23:00 - [39] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Thing is, LP payout is good enough, it's just at the lower levels they don't pay anything. There seems to be a big gap between lvl 4 and 5 standing because so far I'm at lvl 4 and I've only seen an increase of 100 LP per lvl... apparently once you hit lvl 5 you start getting like 1000 LP i think?? IDK but I will try and reach lvl 5 today to see the difference. Yeah, unless they changed things (and knowing CCP that's a high possibility) then at level 5 that's when it starts growing exponentially so yeah. Reach level five and the difference will be noticeable.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 952	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:37:00 - [40] - Quote ISK Sink, ISK Faucet. Learn to economics, or just don't play FW. (Damn, it would help considering the scrubs on Caldari/Amarr side)

We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 455	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:40:00 - [41] - Quote The lack of ISK payout adds a better element of risk to faction warfare battles. I like that It makes you think about what your gonna spawn in with. I'm loving the fact that I have access to things Im not skilled into because of LP.
Mass Heals Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 141	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:02:00 - [42] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: FW is getting expensive... Not cause of the Loyalty store but because we don't get ISK Payouts. After blowing through quite a bit of ISK (even while using my cheaper fits) I see now that we definitely need ISK payouts in FW. We don't even get that much LP when we lose a FW battle so basically: there's a high risk and not so high reward for doing FW. Also, I'm noticing that the LP payouts even with higher standings aren't all that great. Maybe you should also consider making the LP multiply by 2 per Standing (or more) because just earning 100 + LP per lvl isn't cutting it. When I go into the loyalty store I can only purchase a tiny number of items before running out of LP. Which means it becomes a tough grind to even earn a substantial amount of LP to be able to spend. With the way these matches can be quite unbalanced, it gets rather tiresome. i sincerely hope you keep this in mind CCP, and hopefully bump up the rewards sooner rather than later. I'm enjoying 1.7 so far but as you can see the rest of the community are getting put off REAL fast -_- Best Pr0phet higher standings = more LP
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:22:00 - [43] - Quote Mass Heals wrote: Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: FW is getting expensive... Not cause of the Loyalty store but because we don't get ISK Payouts. After blowing through quite a bit of ISK (even while using my cheaper fits) I see now that we definitely need ISK payouts in FW. We don't even get that much LP when we lose a FW battle so basically: there's a high risk and not so high reward for doing FW. Also, I'm noticing that the LP payouts even with higher standings aren't all that great. Maybe you should also consider making the LP multiply by 2 per Standing (or more) because just earning 100 + LP per lvl isn't cutting it. When I go into the loyalty store I can only purchase a tiny number of items before running out of LP. Which means it becomes a tough grind to even earn a substantial amount of LP to be able to spend. With the way these matches can be quite unbalanced, it gets rather tiresome. i sincerely hope you keep this in mind CCP, and hopefully bump up the rewards sooner rather than later. I'm enjoying 1.7 so far but as you can see the rest of the community are getting put off REAL fast -_- Best Pr0phet higher standings = more LP Um, I know this ...But thanks anyway
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:50:00 - [44] - Quote As You all can see from the updated LP table. There are no Thousands of LP to be had. Not even with a booster -_-....


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