DUST Search - [Feedback] CCP, please add Dust to Singularity.

Malkai Inos wrote:

KA24DERT wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

As many people already said:

CCP would love to do this. They just can't because Sony doesn't want software in the PSN which is able to blow up consoles. Which is very understandable. Because it would hurt Sonys reputation.

What are you talking about? The existing "production" Dust client already crashes consoles on occasion. Same with a bunch of other software on PSN.

The idea is that we the players would test for exploding PS3s BEFORE PS3 exploding gets buffed in Dust 1.8.

The HOW of this isn't important, technology is 1s and 0s, and anything can be agreed upon with the right handshake.

What IS important is WHY we need this: improved patches, feedback on changes, feedback on game design choices.

Arguing that there's no point in doing QA because you can't find every single bug is like saying that mandated security measures in the workplace are useless because accidents will still happen.

Sony is guaranteeing that the software running on your console does not render it inoperable. To ensure that they are testing every new build on its basic function and safety before letting it on the PSN. They already sped up this process specifically for CCP and Dust which is the only reason we even have monthly instead of bi-anual patches.

The only way i could imagine to get a true SISI client on the PS3 is that downloading/installing/running it simply voids your warranty so you can buy a new console every time something catastrophic happens and, believe me, this can happen.

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19. Limits on our liability and your rights
As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to:
...
(vii) Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and

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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 284	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:12:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, I'm sure that you test the game before you release a patch. But I doubt very much that you PLAY the game before each patch. I doubt that you have had an in-game goal in your mind that you really want to achieve, and have had to push through Dust's mechanics to achieve it. This isn't a dig against CCP, but the reality is that this kind of desire can only come from dedicated players, and it's unlikely to be fabricated within your offices. I think the time is quickly approaching where it would be in your best interest to capitalize on a willing player base and let them test out patches before release. Please add the Dust infrastructure to Singularity so that we can help you identify issues in game builds before the general public sees them. Quality is essential to success in a crowded market, and we want to help you succeed. Thank You.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 393	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:17:00 - [2] - Quote ^ FFS listen to this man. Half Irish. Often angry.
501st Headstrong Dead Man's Game 50	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:22:00 - [3] - Quote I'm typing this on their fb page right now! How would we be able to play it though? Please don't Hack this game. I will join the NSA and hunt you the hell down. Don't believe me, wait 18 years!
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1709	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:31:00 - [4] - Quote Let us test DUST BEFORE the mains get raped by overreactions. DUST is a half decent game. Be happy its free.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1073	Posted - 2013.12.11 22:40:00 - [5] - Quote CCP has said on multiple occasions that a SISI client is on their personal wishlist. The problems are rather on the technical and contractual side. Sony would have to accept unstable software running on their console and connecting to their servers. Until CCP figures something out with sony, i don't think a SISI client is going to happen. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 285	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:05:00 - [6] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: CCP has said on multiple occasions that a SISI client is on their personal wishlist. The problems are rather on the technical and contractual side. Sony would have to accept unstable software running on their console and connecting to their servers. Until CCP figures something out with sony, i don't think a SISI client is going to happen. I'm sure it's on their list, but given the quality of releases and the community reaction to some of the design changes, I think it needs to be moved up on the list. I don't think the test builds will be any more unstable than what they are putting out right now, and the interaction with Sony's servers is probably limited, and can be further limited in the test environment (removal of real money purchases, for example). Whatever agreement they made to let the Dust Beta happen can be made again for the Dust Patch Preview. As far as the technical aspect, if it is currently a problem to chuck out a test build for pubic consumption, then making traction on this initiative will also force them to revamp their build system to produce consumable builds at a faster, more reliable pace, which will in turn let them test earlier and more often, which in turn will lead to better patches.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 414	Posted - 2013.12.12 07:00:00 - [7] - Quote Maybe they could make another version of dust and characterize it as a different game. Perhaps call it Dust514-TestENV and have it as a totally separate game on the PS3. Release updates to this before even scheduling the patch to the core game. To really test things out and let people go amok with new gear this server would give the charecters on it an insane passive SP gain like maybe 20 per second and upon charecter creation give toons 10mill sp. This would really let ccp see where a FOTM thing might come up and where stuff needs to be re-tuned because people will have tons of sp to dump into whatever the best build is at the time. I would just be sure that there is ZERO interaction with Dust514-TestENV and dust514. It woul have to be impossible to transfer isk or weapons or even characters.
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 275	Posted - 2013.12.12 07:50:00 - [8] - Quote CCP wants to but due to the fact that Sony wont let them for a very good reason. If there is a bit of code that is incorrect it could render our consoles unusable. Sony would rather have a stringent quality control to make sure that there consoles do not suffer for that reason. Just remember Sony is giving CCP more freedom than any other developer out there letting them link it to EVE. I just cant see a test server coming. Relating to an additional game called Dust test or whatever, CCP would then have to pay sony for having two games on the PSN store and also vet & quality control two patches for the main game, I really cant see this happening on a F2P game.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 805	Posted - 2013.12.12 08:01:00 - [9] - Quote Yeah, reality check: This isn't going to happen on a game console. Pretty much ever. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 875	Posted - 2013.12.12 08:02:00 - [10] - Quote Players are OP at breaking your game CCP. You need to understand that the players playing your game is the best way to acceptance test your product. It is also a way to do integration/regression testing on live servers before it goes completely live. This has to be done during 2014, so that small bugs like the 100% militia fuel injector never gets released. How long did it take before people started abusing this module? 5 minutes? Edit: Sony is of course the bottleneck here. But still, there has to be a step where a subset of players acceptance test the final release. This is good SW developement practice. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 805	Posted - 2013.12.12 08:12:00 - [11] - Quote It's not "the bottleneck", Spectral. Sony is the cork. This isn't going anywhere, because Sony is never going to allow it. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 414	Posted - 2013.12.12 08:29:00 - [12] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP wants to but due to the fact that Sony wont let them for a very good reason. If there is a bit of code that is incorrect it could render our consoles unusable. Sony would rather have a stringent quality control to make sure that there consoles do not suffer for that reason. Just remember Sony is giving CCP more freedom than any other developer out there letting them link it to EVE. I just cant see a test server coming. Relating to an additional game called Dust test or whatever, CCP would then have to pay sony for having two games on the PSN store and also vet & quality control two patches for the main game, I really cant see this happening on a F2P game. I doubt cost is a factor. As far as patching goes the whole point would be this. Send the first run to the test game then figure out what works and what is broken. Release a new patch to test environment see if it needs more tuning or if things are at least relativly balanced. Release that patch to the core game. This would make patches more managable for CCP because if they release a broken patch to the test game its no big deal people play there knowing that things might get broken. This way you dont ANNIALATE the core game by releasing crappy updates such as breaking scotty extreme lagg issues or tanks that are faster than lav's. Also why do people make so many excuses for ccp anyway? I myself don't like playing broken games all that much its pretty annoying.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 600	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:03:00 - [13] - Quote They could allow certain players (chosen at random) to access Singularity via their home computers. That way they don't have to worry about Sony. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1240	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:23:00 - [14] - Quote As many people already said: CCP would love to do this. They just can't because Sony doesn't want software in the PSN which is able to blow up consoles. Which is very understandable. Because it would hurt Sonys reputation.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 285	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:23:00 - [15] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: As many people already said: CCP would love to do this. They just can't because Sony doesn't want software in the PSN which is able to blow up consoles. Which is very understandable. Because it would hurt Sonys reputation. What are you talking about? The existing "production" Dust client already crashes consoles on occasion. Same with a bunch of other software on PSN. The idea is that we the players would test for exploding PS3s BEFORE PS3 exploding gets buffed in Dust 1.8. The HOW of this isn't important, technology is 1s and 0s, and anything can be agreed upon with the right handshake. What IS important is WHY we need this: improved patches, feedback on changes, feedback on game design choices.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1083	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:50:00 - [16] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: As many people already said: CCP would love to do this. They just can't because Sony doesn't want software in the PSN which is able to blow up consoles. Which is very understandable. Because it would hurt Sonys reputation. What are you talking about? The existing "production" Dust client already crashes consoles on occasion. Same with a bunch of other software on PSN. The idea is that we the players would test for exploding PS3s BEFORE PS3 exploding gets buffed in Dust 1.8. The HOW of this isn't important, technology is 1s and 0s, and anything can be agreed upon with the right handshake. What IS important is WHY we need this: improved patches, feedback on changes, feedback on game design choices. Arguing that there's no point in doing QA because you can't find every single bug is like saying that mandated security measures in the workplace are useless because accidents will still happen. Sony is guaranteeing that the software running on your console does not render it inoperable. To ensure that they are testing every new build on its basic function and safety before letting it on the PSN. They already sped up this process specifically for CCP and Dust which is the only reason we even have monthly instead of bi-anual patches. The only way i could imagine to get a true SISI client on the PS3 is that downloading/installing/running it simply voids your warranty so you can buy a new console every time something catastrophic happens and, believe me, this can happen. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 288	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:59:00 - [17] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: As many people already said: CCP would love to do this. They just can't because Sony doesn't want software in the PSN which is able to blow up consoles. Which is very understandable. Because it would hurt Sonys reputation. What are you talking about? The existing "production" Dust client already crashes consoles on occasion. Same with a bunch of other software on PSN. The idea is that we the players would test for exploding PS3s BEFORE PS3 exploding gets buffed in Dust 1.8. The HOW of this isn't important, technology is 1s and 0s, and anything can be agreed upon with the right handshake. What IS important is WHY we need this: improved patches, feedback on changes, feedback on game design choices. Arguing that there's no point in doing QA because you can't find every single bug is like saying that mandated security measures in the workplace are useless because accidents will still happen. Sony is guaranteeing that the software running on your console does not render it inoperable. To ensure that they are testing every new build on its basic function and safety before letting it on the PSN. They already sped up this process specifically for CCP and Dust which is the only reason we even have monthly instead of bi-anual patches. The only way i could imagine to get a true SISI client on the PS3 is that downloading/installing/running it simply voids your warranty so you can buy a new console every time something catastrophic happens and, believe me, this can happen. What exactly does Sony guarantee? Let's take a look at the PSN EULA: Quote: 19. Limits on our liability and your rights As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to: ... (vii) Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and Oh wow, looks like they guarantee absolutely nothing. Would you people stop pulling boogeymen out of your butts to prevent this from happening? A test environment for Dust is a 100% solvable problem, and we need it ASAP.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1083	Posted - 2013.12.12 19:19:00 - [18] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: What exactly does Sony guarantee? Let's take a look at the PSN EULA: Quote: 19. Limits on our liability and your rights As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to: ... (vii) Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and Oh wow, looks like they guarantee absolutely nothing. Would you people stop pulling boogeymen out of your butts to prevent this from happening? A test environment for Dust is a 100% solvable problem, and we need it ASAP. I stand corrected. It still depends on Sony giving the go as CCP has said a few times that they want to do it. Statements like these can be found all over the dev post search. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 289	Posted - 2013.12.12 19:47:00 - [19] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: KA24DERT wrote: What exactly does Sony guarantee? Let's take a look at the PSN EULA: Quote: 19. Limits on our liability and your rights As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to: ... (vii) Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and Oh wow, looks like they guarantee absolutely nothing. Would you people stop pulling boogeymen out of your butts to prevent this from happening? A test environment for Dust is a 100% solvable problem, and we need it ASAP. I stand corrected. It still depends on Sony giving the go as CCP has said a few times that they want to do it. Statements like these can be found all over the dev post search. Yeah, that's to be expected. Everything is hard and complicated until the brass gets everyone in to a room, locks the door, and says: "We're making a test environment before March, what do we need to make it happen." Then all the excuses fade away, and suddenly the impossible is possible. The question is do we as a player base demand it?
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 273	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote They could try making it computer downloaded content for a game called dust test or something We transfer in updates via usb and get to play on a dust test server Of course for a select few and possibly organized play times so it can be a group of 100 people testing prereleases "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.



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