oh please

There's a reason why they made Commandos! Duh! (Sarcastic)

Have hope for the amarr heavy lazer and the galente plasma flamethrower for heavy. =D

+1

ive always found a way (stubborness) to make playing a heavy work

but finally......i think the game has made it to where even i cant play heavy.

i love my HMG, its half the reason i play this game. but now that i cant play anymore, due to the HMG being essentially UP, and no chance to move in close to enemies anymore bc the SR is such a beastly weapon, and the new weapons keep me at such range, im literally unable to play anymore.
ive not broken 3 kills all day today (day of 1.7 release) bc of the things mentioned above, among other variables.

so like OP said, if youre so dead set on eliminating the heavy role from the game, then give me my SP back so i can do another route.


ps. thanks a lot

Heavies should only be weak against 2 things:
1. other heavies
2. vehicles
I personally believe 1 heavy should be able to mow down at least 3 enemies (proto or not) 1 on 3 (with a HMG).

I'm a logi and i find it disturbing that i can kill a full shield/health sentinel with a HMG (when he's shooting at me). I would rather lose a fair fight then win a rigged one.

And I mean no disrespect but your Logi and Heavy auck then. Any combat Logo with a Scrambler Rifle, Repair Tool, and Active Scanner will easily allow for dispatch of hostiles. And I do not use the suit you are correct, that's because the playstile isnt for me. I fight and move, hence I am an Assault. Try my tactic. It truly should work. Heavies arent loners, they are support. The Logi can also carry Flux grenades so th HMG rips into the armor.

The problem is with the current TTK.

I run a heavy with an EHP of over 1.5k. It costs me over 100,000 ISK to field one set of this fitting.
I have a life expectancy of under 2 seconds versus just about anything.

Do I expect to be an unkillable death machine? No. No.
I do expect that I can last a bit longer than 2 seconds with a fit that costs as much as a standard tank fit. I do expect people to be scared of my HMG, and to be able to shrug off anything but concentrated fire from multiple sources.


The Heavy suit has no way of "Supporting" it's team. It's designed to kill. It's designed to get up in your face and scream 'COME AT ME". Right now, we just tickle people, while AR users just faceroll us in close combat.


I'll admit, I've had a few games where I've managed to pull off some crazy **** as a Heavy. But they're few and far between. But right now, Heavies aren't worth a damn thing, and most of my SP has been put into Heavy suits. I run a full proto build, and it's worthless compared to my 5k Logi build. It really is.
I do feel that Forge Guns are alright just now though. Proto tanks are still crazy, but using a Proto Assault FG seems to work well - mostly. The HMG is worthless. SMGs and shotguns kill faster at close range, and ARs, RRs and CRs have medium range. So where does that leave the HMG?

Really,
Lucky I've only wasted about 100k SP on getting into heavy
Think I'll stop right there...
For the record a x ISK & y SP heavy should be comparable to a x ISK & y SP assault / scout / logi / tank

e.g. a Heavy needs more SP then an asault so a basic heavy should match a advanced assault, that kinda thing

do that or setup a unrelated and uninfluence to EVE test/development server where players have unlimited free respecs to prove/test such things

I've killed at least 20 tanks so far since 1.7 hit. Forge guns still work. Heavy suit is still viable.

Heck, I even went on a murder spree with my SMG running into the base cause I ran out of forge gun rounds. Got at least 5 kills before dying.

Heavy is the most reliant role on other players, and other heavies. If you don't play it like that you're going to have a hard time. Ever run a squad with 3 heavies, 2 logistics, and an assault defending an objective? Infantry doesn't stand a chance, that's where heavies shine. The heavy is a DEFENSIVE role, they wait for the enemy to foolishly walk into their trap instead of running out into the open guns blazing (at least the amarr heavy is, Minmatar heavy could potentially be awesome for aggressive play)

You run into more than one heavy defending and you'll die. It's as simple as that. Solo heavies need two armor reps at the least. Shield regulators are a good option if you use cover a lot. Plates should only be used if you have logistics support to help heal you. That way you can rep in between encounters and have another full 1200 ehp to deal with the next guy. If you find another heavy stick with him. Chances are the enemy will panic and not be able to take down even one of you when he has two HMGs in his face.

Trust me, I have proficiency 3 in both HMG and forge, prototype heavy frame, and my main role is logistics. If anything, the HMG just needs a rework of the bullet spread, and the heavy to have more ways of earning points for the team.

Also, don't be afraid to use light weapons if you have support! The HMG is the heavy version of a shotgun. It's great for nailing a person who comes around the corner unsuspecting, but can't do anything at range. You have to be sneaky with it and it's not just point and shoot like other weapons. If you can sacrifice ammo capacity then go for a rifle. However, don't be an idiot and use a rifle in situations where HMGs would be more effective. Rifles are better for defending areas with a large space in-between the objective and the enemy or for multiple enemy encounters. HMGs work best within the objective or city where there are lots of hallways and walls to hide behind, forcing your enemy to get close.

Apologies, that's what I meant. Decrease the Tracking of a Heavy, and then you have a smart way to counter them.