Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
That's cute you think I use SWARMS or that I'd keep firing at a vehicle while the hardeners are on.
So you're justifying that an HAV has a right to require less skill, effort, and be nearly indestructible when confronted with infantry based AV weapons because it's an HAV? That's a pretty hypocritical stand.
As you want to get technical with wording... I can't seem to find tanks on the market, only HAVs. The "V" stands for vehicle.
As for earning kills... I hope you realize that if we get zero kills because players like you feel that AV is supposed to stand for "annoy vehicle" we get no ISK or SP beyond the base for being there. We might as well AFK if that's going to be the case.
Talking about coordination (assuming you mean teaming with other AV players) is ludicrous as long as a single player can be an effective force in an HAV. Keep things fair and balanced with V vs AV, something pilots seem not to give to $hits about lately. If three AVers are needed to take down an HAV, then the HAV should sit completely non functional unless it has three players manning it.
Cute huh? I think that situation outlines a lot of the complaints of av players, why can't I blow up this well fit, very expensive python this skilled pilot brought in by myself?
HAV's require more skill points, and takes just as much effort to use well. To be clear, I am justifying that tanks are the
most effective means to kill another tank. Av is still effective just not
as effective. Because light and heavy weapons aren't as big, powerful or as much as an investment as a tank. This game is not about kd its about money.
I do want to get technical about this, this thread topic states 'V'hicles are OP. I'm not a tank driver, I am a dropship pilot. Dropships are vehicles too, by saying buff av so one man can take down a tank also affects me. Remember its AV not AT so you are justifying that one man should be able to destroy all vehicles? That's a pretty hypocritical stand.
As for getting kills, I stated before and will again, I'm not saying av shouldn't be able to take a vehicle down, otherwise yes you wouldn't get paid and vehicles would be op. I'm saying it should take skill and coordination, doesn't necessarily mean with other dedicated av, could be two guys with av nades, a tank, a dropship, remote det logis or scouts. Hell even car durkas or a guy sitting on a turret! Even if you don't get the kill you get the assist, there are plenty of cars to pop, turrets to destroy and people to help kill. Your main job as
solo infantry av is to deter vehicles from doing their job.
Saying vehicle pilots don't use teamwork is an insult. I have to use teamwork as a dropship pilot. My entire vehicle is based around teamwork. If I fly solo I'm operating at 20% efficiency at best. A forge gunner takes at least 3 people (myself gunners or shock troops) to spot engage and eliminate that one man threat, who before 1.7 would be able to kill me far before I ever knew he was there. Why should av be able to solo vehicles when vehicles do require teamwork? They shouldn't, because that would be imbalanced, however av player have hardly given two $hits about that, now or in the past.
If I'm flying with one gunner two shock troops and a forge gun any tank I find (besides redline rail tank pu$$ys) is dead. So htfu, some people have had to use skill and teamwork even when one man could solo them, its more fun playing with other people anyway.