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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:54:00 -
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pases from playing Kingdoms of Amalor.
tried patch 1.7
laser R.I.P
delete Dust 514
maybe 1.8 will revive lasers and HMG?
goes back to playing Kingdoms of Amalor
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
3931
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:55:00 -
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Green Living says otherwise.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1235
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Green Living says otherwise.
He's a hippie. Who listens to hippies?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
1306
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:57:00 -
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LR is fin. It may need a wider optimal but it works fine in its optimal.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1971
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:57:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Green Living says otherwise. He's a hippie. Who listens to hippies?
The Amarr
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
336
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:57:00 -
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can I hold on to your stuff in the mean time? |
Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
276
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:58:00 -
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Don't put the lazor on the hmgs level, lazors have been pretty kick ass lately, or did they screw with em?
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
694
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:59:00 -
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The LR needs major help to remain viable. You can use it and get kills with it, but it's almost always a better weapon for your tactical situation. It needs range badly (and a little more zoom proportional to the range increase).
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:00:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Green Living says otherwise.
versus starter fits??......lol.
lasers and HMG are dead in patch 1.7
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:02:00 -
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This patch was for the Vehicles, I'm sure the infantry work will come soon.
And I'mma be honest Tanking is very fun right now, and I'm not even fighting Infantry (Legitimately going between 4-10 kills a match with a death or two).
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11175
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:03:00 -
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What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle?
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1237
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle?
I'd start using it again. 
Same ADS. NO MAXIMUM RANGE.
It is light, after all. Do eet CCP
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
695
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:20:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle?
A sniper rifle that broadcasts your location to the rest of the enemy team, that slowly increases damage over time? Uh, no thanks. Just make its optimal extend to 120m give it proportional zoom and scale back TTK on the other rifles/SMG and it should be fine. The mechanics are really fun, but it no longer has a niche where it's the best weapon. I literally never had a moment where I was playing today and thought to myself, "damn, I wish I were equipped with my LR fit right now, this would be the perfect scenario for it." I used to think that all the time back in 1.4, 1.5.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8520
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:24:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle?
That's what it should have been from the start.
PS: Shadowcaster with dagger/chakram combo is mad fun.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1238
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:31:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:I literally never had a moment where I was playing today and thought to myself, "damn, I wish I were equipped with my LR fit right now, this would be the perfect scenario for it." I used to think that all the time back in 1.4, 1.5.
Just curious, I assume you had the chance to play with the Laser Rifle in Chromosome?
I never went Viziam, so I like to think that I played with a relatively balanced version of the weapon. But to have that range back... preheating the shot was like wielding a mile-long lightsaber or something.
Yeah, everyone knew where you were. But if you stayed close enough to your mass of blues, it didn't matter much. It was fun enough to tempt me away from my true love, the HMG.
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Saxbrin Shain
Ivory Vanguard
100
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Posted - 2013.12.11 00:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle?
It doesn't need to reach out to extreme ranges, but I don't think any one weapon should be more effective at both ends of the Laser Rifle's effective range. I'm fine with being outclassed at short range, and at long range, but not by the same weapon. |
Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
3934
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Posted - 2013.12.11 00:46:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Green Living says otherwise. versus starter fits??......lol. lasers and HMG are dead in patch 1.7
No, against the shitstorm of prototype suits the Minmatar seem to have suddenly acquired overnight.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
520
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:16:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:pases from playing Kingdoms of Amalor.
tried patch 1.7
laser R.I.P
delete Dust 514
maybe 1.8 will revive lasers and HMG?
goes back to playing Kingdoms of Amalor
I tried to like KoA, I really did, but it suffers from Elder Scrolls syndrome, too much side quest not enough plot/main quest. I have to ask as someone who doesn't use the laser, is it because there are Rail and Combat rifles that are able to reach out and actually hurt the laser rifle user that makes it R.I.P.? |
JDEZ09
Dark Side Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:31:00 -
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If you are not AMARR assault, then don't mess with the laser period.
It's too dangerous for you children.
If you are Amarr assault, then spark that baby down to 88 in the chamber, wait for the cool down, Get into position (where theres like 5 people wide out in the open) and kill em all in one stream. If there all proto then you will probably kill like 3 of them while the others bunny hop away with like 1/4 of their armor left.
Lasers are only really good on Prototype level. They are exponentially better at each tier.
Still though, I get what you're saying because of the Cal Rail Rifle. I'm just gonna let you know that I am a guy that does say...
"OOO wait till I pull out my laser rifle. Here I go.. and then I proceed to melt faces because I have proficiency lvl 5 with it, where it really shines. (Dmg mods are also another factor)
Do you go charging in with a laser rifle? No
Do you work with a squad and keep close eye on the perimeters where yall are operating? Yes :)
Yes lasers are situational, which is why you wont see me pulling it out first. It's like the squad marksman weapon, notice I said squad, because you're gonna need all the ammo you can get lol. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1495
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:34:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle? I'd start using it again. Same ADS. NO MAXIMUM RANGE. It is light, after all. Do eet CCP
It would work even better with the old (or lack) of sights. I am talking about the holographic one, not the awful iron aights
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1975
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:46:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if we shove the laser rifle to be more of a sniper rifle? I'd start using it again. Same ADS. NO MAXIMUM RANGE. It is light, after all. Do eet CCP It would work even better with the old (or lack) of sights. I am talking about the holographic one, not the awful iron aights
The sight now seems to work fine for me. I'd be happy with one that has slightly less zoom than the Combat Rifle's scope has.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1049
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:48:00 -
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AR or GTFO
*goes back to GTAO content creator. |
Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1706
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:52:00 -
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Dude, If the LR is the one thing you play the game for, then you sir, choose the one useless gun in the game.
You REALLY cant expect a weapon that does Meh damage in a 20 meter window that is 60 meters out to NOT be UP.
DUST is a half decent game.
Be happy its free.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1975
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:55:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Dude, If the LR is the one thing you play the game for, then you sir, choose the one useless gun in the game.
You REALLY cant expect a weapon that does Meh damage in a 20 meter window that is 60 meters out to NOT be UP.
It's soooo fun to use! :D
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TunRa
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
257
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Posted - 2013.12.11 02:26:00 -
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 YEAH QQ!
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
970
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Posted - 2013.12.11 02:50:00 -
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I have no problem with the laser being UP.
The problem with the laser is its now useless in every scenario.
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
157
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Posted - 2013.12.11 02:59:00 -
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Its ok the PLC is right there with all the AA weapons |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1256
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Posted - 2013.12.11 03:20:00 -
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Every time me and my bud shotgun famous got redlined in caldari FW I always thought man wish I had a rail rifle the thought that I had pro lvl 2 in the or never even touched my mind.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:32:00 -
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I am not mad.
Just wondering how CCP thinks that makeing lasers and HMGs useless is going to increase the player base???
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Dragonmeballs
Better Hide R Die
2
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:43:00 -
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As some have pointed out the LR is just about useless at the moment.
If I may summarize the suggested improvements with a few tweaks of my own.
1. The LR is definitely a weapon which should only be useful in certain situations
a. CQC= no!!! It should not be very effective at 40 meters or less as that would make it OP
b. Sweat spot: 80-120 meters would be fine. It should out range all the handheld light weapons except for the sniper rifle.
2. The TTK within the range with the rifles should not be increased. I hate the idea of losing a one on one but I only think it is fair that this weapon be a thinking mercs weapon. That said, if you heat it up first then the TTK should be such so you at least have a better than 50/50 chance against a Scrambler or a Rail at 80m. The winner of such a contest should be the one with the best aim utilizing ADS.
3. Increase the zoom when ADS. Greater range also means there is a need to hold that beam on target and that is not easy with the dead spot on the controller. I don't see bunny hopping going away so the skill of the shooter is the key to a kill at 120 meters. A better view of the target while ADS is a must. If a GEK can deliver 400 hp of damage in less than a second I don't think it is unfair for the LR to be able to unravel a medium suit in 2.5 sec at 120 meters.
One might argue these changes make the weapon OP. I disagree. Every time you use the LR you give away your position. Snipers and shotgun scouts know exactly where you are and if you decide to camp then you deserve what happens next.
If the MD is a short range area denial weapon then LR could fill the need for a medium range equivalent.
TL:DR
LR is broken in 1.7
Buff range
Increase magnification of scope
Restore skill shooting to Dust |
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