DUST Search - balance vs content

Vell0cet wrote:

Both. We desperately need to address the TTK issues (it's horribly game-breaking and unbalanced), but after that most weapons will be fairly balanced. We need to get the cloaks ASAP, because we can't balance scouts until they're here (if we buff them now--they do need it badly--and then give them cloaks it could really break the game). I also think we're way overdue for the missing racial variants of suits/vehicles/turrets. We need all of them within the next 2-3 months.

Also getting the NPE up-to-par is absolutely critical for the long-term viability of this game.

The roadmap I would like to see is roughly:

1.8
TTK resolved!
All Scouts/Heavies (possible respec of suits)
Scout cloak
P2P market
New map/sockets
PC lag resolved
Addition of 2nd tier optional academy game mode up to 2-5mill SP
Test range for testing pre-release content (see sig for how this could be done with modest effort)

1.9
Team deploy
Amarr and Minmatar vehicles
Laser/projectile turrets
Pilot suits
Vehicle Capacitors
ISK-efficiency stat

1.10
Missing Heavy Weapons
Missing sidearms

1.11+
PC 2.0
Highly polished NPE with gameplay tutorial
Continuing to balance/refine/polish gameplay and add more maps/sockets
E-War

Begin work on porting to PS4
Begin work on amazing PvE that interacts with EVE exploration
Other vehicles: Speeder bikes, MAVs, fighters, MTACs
Vegetation
Water
Caves
Amazing new maps using water, vegetation, caves etc.

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Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 822	Posted - 2013.12.10 04:37:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Balance! Content is meaningless if the core gameplay is broken & unbalanced. Though I'd like some new content too. Balanced game play is meaningless if content is boring and lacking significant advancements. Though I disagree with your first post, that it will be balanced enough (Repping hives, laser rifles, core grenades, ... just to name a few examples) in 1.7, this I do agree with. Though the game would be unbalanced for a few months, if you throw all the essentials in then you can start focusing more resources on game balance. You'll see everything in action together and see what needs to be worked on to set it apart from everything else. If content is too good compared to other things, you can adjust a few variables to make it UP for a few weeks while you work on a way of fixing it. Trying things out in test servers doesn't come close to the testing that things would get if it were given to us to test out. So basically, even if you put everything into the game right now and make all of the new stuff underpowered, at least we would be able to give feedback on how to make it work properly. UP or OP content that needs work is far more preferable to waiting around for months wondering if what you want to spec into will ever even be put into the game. MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 522	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:57:00 - [32] - Quote Anyone else notice people who had quit playing Dust returning since 1.7 dropped? I have seen more old Dust buddies this past week than the past 3 months. I know most of them were tempted to at least try a little Dust again thanks to just 2 new rifles. I think content is handily winning this argument. Just imagine if the put out a new suit each of the next 2 updates or one of the other racial tank variants or OMG laser turrets. New content in small increments will keep people around wanting to grind to skill into things and will make people who have stopped playing at least come check out the game again.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 387	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:08:00 - [33] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Both. We desperately need to address the TTK issues (it's horribly game-breaking and unbalanced), but after that most weapons will be fairly balanced. We need to get the cloaks ASAP, because we can't balance scouts until they're here (if we buff them now--they do need it badly--and then give them cloaks it could really break the game). I also think we're way overdue for the missing racial variants of suits/vehicles/turrets. We need all of them within the next 2-3 months. Also getting the NPE up-to-par is absolutely critical for the long-term viability of this game. The roadmap I would like to see is roughly: 1.8 TTK resolved! All Scouts/Heavies (possible respec of suits) Scout cloak P2P market New map/sockets PC lag resolved Addition of 2nd tier optional academy game mode up to 2-5mill SP Test range for testing pre-release content (see sig for how this could be done with modest effort) 1.9 Team deploy Amarr and Minmatar vehicles Laser/projectile turrets Pilot suits Vehicle Capacitors ISK-efficiency stat 1.10 Missing Heavy Weapons Missing sidearms 1.11+ PC 2.0 Highly polished NPE with gameplay tutorial Continuing to balance/refine/polish gameplay and add more maps/sockets E-War Begin work on porting to PS4 Begin work on amazing PvE that interacts with EVE exploration Other vehicles: Speeder bikes, MAVs, fighters, MTACs Vegetation Water Caves Amazing new maps using water, vegetation, caves etc. Where would the other two heavy weapons fit into this TBA IS NOT A NAME! At least give the heavy laser a name so we know you MIGHT be working on it.
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:11:00 - [34] - Quote how bout core game mechanics? and stop patching, patches with patches that were patched by 2 other patches?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4166	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:41:00 - [35] - Quote Question makes no sense. The main imbalances in the current state of DUST are due to content that isn't available yet. Adding new content is the way to balance a lot of the current content.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6184	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:47:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CONTENT! This game is relatively balanced as of 1.7. >relatively balanced >tank514 Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 654	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:06:00 - [37] - Quote I'm all per the content side of this. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 248	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [38] - Quote Blatent OP and UP balence needs to be a damage control as they focus on content, while i agree with they need the core content they need to strengthen whats weak and weaken whats too strong at a patch to patch level while having a focus on getting the core content out asap, from there they can introduce fine balence and release major content like PVE, new suit and weapon classes not the racial varients all racial varients should come at once from now on no more place holders. By far the best way to do this would be tiericide everything to make balence easier and if tiers are to be reintorduced then do it when everything already balenced a unbalenced suit becomes extremely OP at proto level.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1646	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [39] - Quote Balancing WITH new content (such as webifiers to slow down vehicles) Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 25	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:52:00 - [40] - Quote CCP is seeming to have the problems of balancing all new content. Core Game mechanics, i.e. hit detection, shield ticks, head glitching, rendering and actually fixing things instead of adjusting Content: How can you balance whats not there? I'm glad my proto sentinel has a 25% reduction to non existent weapon feedback damage.....and i hope your not planning on making the pilot suits the way we initially saw them... reduction on vehicle cool down? ah yes indeed hardners will recover in 24 seconds instead of what they are, now and that my friends will be the next uprising you cant add new content to old broken mecanics. But hey.... lets rebuild vehicles from the ground up and ignore pilot suits till later. Better yet lets build a house and put on the foundation last guys, we got this



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