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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:30:00 -
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Hello,
I'm creating this thread so the true HMG heavies can share the the most ridiculous death they have experienced. By ridiculous I mean a death where there was obviously no way the opponent should have won against you, but because of current game balance, they did. With your tale post some well though out questions that came to mind from the engagement. Also try to Enumerate the things that you as a heavy see wrong with the situation that you experienced. Please keep it rant free.
Tale #1:
I'm in my adv basic heavy, just wielding a modest 1,473 HP (576 shields/897 armor). I'm going through a corridor (indoors no way for snipers to get me just to clarify for those trolls) And I meat up with this gallente assault wielding about 600 HP. As many of you heavies out there know HMG deals more damage to armor. I'm fairly confident I have this one in the Bag. We are less than 20 meters away and LIFE is good. He hasn't seen me yet and his buddies are nowhere to be seen. I start shooting my ADV HMG with my impressive level 5 proficiency and 2 complex damage mods and out of the blue he kills me Just like that. Standing still like he is boss. Not a worry in there world. Unfortunately this happens all the time. The HMG is outgunned by a weapons at it's optimal. I can say all the time when I get near an enemy just to lose to an AR or a SCR.
Question?
- Why, even though the HMG has more DPS on paper, does it feel like it's applied damage is much less?
- Why, even though I have Double the HP and am shooting at a stationary target, does he still not die ?
Whats Wrong with this picture?
- The enemy is ambushed and not aware
- Enemy Has less than double the HP of the heavy suit being used
- Enemy is stationary and still doesn't go down
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:38:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
1: You must have the little 'dot' on the enemy 100% of the time for full damage to be applied, little slips lose all of your dps till the 'dot' is red again.
2: You missed.
Troll is a Troll. I made the video explaining the mechanic
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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:43:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
1: You must have the little 'dot' on the enemy 100% of the time for full damage to be applied, little slips lose all of your dps till the 'dot' is red again.
2: You missed.
Troll is a Troll. I made the video explaining the mechanic I figured it was you. Next time have your PVR running so you can watch the vid and figure out what happened.
Lol I've done this so many time's thinking I must have done something wrong. Please I do not make posts lightly. I take some time to think about what I am going to talk about and verify thoroughly to be sure that I am not the one at fault.
I thought That maybe, if you though it was me that did the video, you would have at least the faintest of ideas of how I do testing before doing or saying anything in the forums. Please, whatever you are going to say, don't. I dont know if it's your intention but it's coming out as trolling and I for one am very tired of these forums being riddled with trolls.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:44:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I don't know, I've seen some heavies put in some serious damage.
This is correct. But you see there is a big differen between fighting a noob in an ADV suit then fighting a skilled player in one. No matter the damage. Run a heavy for a week (any less will not give you the scope of the problem, and then you will understand.
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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:52:00 -
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I guess this community is video based. Ohh wells, I think it might be time for another video on the subject just so I don't get contradicted every time I take my time to do a well though out post.
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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 02:04:00 -
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castba wrote:
2. Because he killed you first? Is there another answer? Not trying to be a smartarse but if the CalAss was standing still, odds are that he was shooting the oversized head of the heavy for those headshot multipliers
Even if he was hitting for head multipliers, this is not something that would happen 100% of the time... Base DPS of the HMG is 600 damage per second so in less than 2 seconds he should have been dead. He has a base damage of 430 damage per second. He wold have taken about 3 to 4 seconds to kill me on paper nearly twice as long as it should take me to kill him.
You have also noticed inconsistencies with damage application being somewhat different.
Right now when I use my boundless HMG I feel Like I'm using my "DREN" assault rifle (and I don't have a single point in assault rifles)
That's right my boundless HMG with proficiency 5 and 2 damage mods feels like if I was using my dren assault rifle and I have no point into assault rifles.
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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 02:42:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:I took down a Proto Sentinel that had 1100 Armor and 500 Shields with a Toxin AR (and once a Laser :D) so fast that he couldn't even turn around to see me.
This happens so much it's actually almost gamebreaking for me. every time it happens to my 1.6k HP sentinel I am left without words to express my rage
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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 02:57:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Patrick57 wrote:I took down a Proto Sentinel that had 1100 Armor and 500 Shields with a Toxin AR (and once a Laser :D) so fast that he couldn't even turn around to see me. This happens so much it's actually almost gamebreaking for me. every time it happens to my 1.6k HP sentinel I am left without words to express my rage How would you suggest fixing Heavies (besides fixing the HMG)? I'd suggest making the hitbox smaller, but what do you think could make them better?
Well it really isn't about the heavy or the HMG. It's about the balance of the game. All weapons where balanced based on some notion of how much time it took to take another suit down. This notions was completely changed when Hit detection got an immense fix which is actually CCP's masterpiece to be honest. Very amazing work on that aspect.
But this in turn overthrew the balance of the game completely. I believe that CCP must take some baby steps at this point to ensure quality of the product.
The changes should be as follows:
- Eliminate the 10% bonus given to all weapons when uprising came out. This was to compensate for the extremely high amount of time it took to kill an opponent which was mostly hit detection's fault.
- Slightly augment the HP of suits by a 3% factor per month till a reasonable time to kill is achieved. (this would be global HP to all suits not just heavies)
** This is not an overly complicated thing to do and it also avoids over buffing anything in the game since small steps are done.
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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 03:11:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Ran into a guy with a proto SMG once. I shot first, halfway through his health he turns around and chews through my armor/shield like it was nothing. This was at like a 10 meter close range standoff. If the HMG is supposed to be devastating at close range, then it should at least be better than the SMG right? -_- Also, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC0Oll4-7jc&feature=youtube_gdata_playerIn the video, the guy has almost all of his health gone and I try to finish him off (at about 30 meters away, so still within optimal range)...but once he notices me he starts shooting and manages to strip 700ish health from me in about a second's time. I managed to kill him, but if he had just another second he would have killed me.
I hate that this is exactly how many of my engagements end. I kill 1 person but end with less than 100hp. It cost me twice the trouble to kill him than it did for him to almost kill me. HP wise anyways.
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