How about we settle for making the weapons useful.

I would love to have the damage back, but keep the ROF nerf and Splash Nerf.

Hitting people isn't the problem with a Flaylock (for me), its killing them without having to empty two clips into them.

Every side arm can be run as a main and can kill people on their own except the flaylock.

This forum needs a "dislike" button.

What separates Sidearms from Primaries isn't killing power. It's the ability to engage multiple targets.

Let me ask you a question:

What good is a weapon that cannot kill reliably?

To my mind a sidearm is a perfectly viable weapon in its own right and capable of operating on its own. What separates it from standard weapons is drawbacks like range and damage dropoff.

The idea is that your main weapon is running low and you have a backup that's entirely capable of taking out enemies, but only on its terms. The flaylock struggles to take out even totally immobile / otherwise distracted targets at point blank range, even then only militia or basic suits will go down. Adv or above just forget it, you have to reload way too many times.

You may even argue that it is at least capable of mild AV, but lets face it, other than laughable moments destroying bog standard Sica's with the aid of Flux's its useless in that regard also.

Ok I can't comment on total power or radius since I don't have it to proto yet but what I can say its a weapon that doesn't tier well at all. I can get decent kills with a militia scrambler pistol much easier than the weapon that takes the most SP in Sidearm Operation in the game to unlock. The standard is pathetic. The breach is very powerful but fires so slowly I can't see any conceivable use for it.

Honestly does that sound right to you?

So, lets get this straight this single weapon in the entire game should not be able to kill just as any other weapon does because you yourself find it to fit your fancy?

People don't use this weapon anymore because every other side arm is better than it.

For it being a skill shot weapon it does pitiful direct damage. You can't really argue numbers. You can't say the splash makes up for how weak it is because it practically has zero splash. It's actually almost harder to hit someone with the splash than it is to just direct shot them.

Flaylock. It's so good after the nerf, it doesn't need to be good.

This dude trolling so hard we're gonna have to hot drop a bridge on him.

IT BEGINS!

Saint, all of your posts seem to be supported and thought out, but they always seem to be filled with either a biased agenda or a severe lack of necessary foresight of actual implementation.

You think sidearms should be fully inferior to light weaponry, that would be fine if it had been that way for the past six months. Currently, sidearms take exactly the same SP investment as any light weapon, so they should provide an equitable return. If sidearms were all to be nerfed to FP levels, then there would need to be a huge overhaul to many aspects of the game.

SP costs would have to be reduced for sidarms to reflect the changes. The Minmatar Assault has already been indirectly nerfed repeatedly with each update, a nerf to sidearms would require a complete change of its racial bonus if the suit would ever hope to be remotely competitive (not that I think I should stay the same anyway). Fitting costs would also need to be further reduced, as they currently aren't significantly less in conjunction to their current shortcomings.

All I have to say is I'm glad you are not in charge of balancing Rogue or apparently I would have wasted about 5 million+ SP on weapons in my niche and another 5+ million on suits that have bonuses to side arms.

Along with your idea that sidearms should not kill makes pretty much every piece of minmatar gear worthless along with the flaylock.