DUST Search - CCP - stop milking your playing players too much!

Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:

Draco Cerberus wrote:

Op, you're right we are paying to develop the game, devs need to eat right?I don't think the community as a whole wants to get rid of boosters, I for one wouldn't mind another active booster. I haven't paid for boosters though since full release of Uprising. I can't afford to. Between my Eve accounts, and upgrading hardware for both the PS3 and the computer my entertainment budget is spent. If you notice a difference in SP gain without the booster, that is the normal rate, and this is a pay to win game (skill points make you better). Hey devs, can I buy Aurum for PLEX (Concorde Pilot's License Extextion)?

It's not pay to win because boosters don't give you something a free player will never be able to access. So what if you get ten days worth of SP on seven and a half. I'll be able to use the same gear you have access to. It's not like you get weapons, armor, ammo, and other gear that's twice as good as anything a free player can get.

You want to see pay to win, play Dark Orbit, Pirate Galaxy, even BSG Online. There are hundreds of games out there with a true Pay to Win structure. Dust isn't one of them.

And as I said in another similar thread...

So who's holding a weapon on you and forcing you to spend real money on the game? If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Boosters and aurum gear are not necessary. They're there so impatient people with money to burn can buy a time advantage.

Boosters = faster SP gains.
Aurum gear = lower skill requirements on higher tier gear.

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taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 47	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:52:00 - [1] - Quote there are too many boosters! Dust should just make 1 subscription cost to get all the benefits at a reasonable price and scrap boosters full stop. 3 lots of boosters adds up to too much money - NA players get to play a lot cheaper than EU players but here is the UK and US numbers for you 200k +25K aurum costs me over $135vs $99.99 boosters cost 28k aurum for a month current costs to run full boosters 28k x's 2 = 56k aurum 56/225 x's 100 = 24.8% UK cost = $33.6 per month US cost = $24.8 per month assuming LP boosters cost the same next months full booster cost. 28k x's 3 = 84k arum 84/225 x's 100 = 37.3% UK cost = $50.35 US cost = $37.33 putting things into perspective - I just logged into game.co.uk and looked how much FIFA 14 is and its -ú34.99 or $56 http://www.game.co.uk/en/fifa-14-includes-4-gold-fifa-ultimate-team-packs-218047?attributeName1=Shop By&pageSize=20&provenance=New&categoryIdentifier=10225&attributeValue1=63 So to play dust514 after the patch for a month, bearing in mind dust is far from complete will cost me just under $6 less than the full purchase price of fifa 14 my suggestion would be that for the full Dust514 booster package CCP charge. EU $30 per month US $25 per month that's more than most MMO's and still they will receive the price of a new game every 2 months from paying players.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1844	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:23:00 - [2] - Quote Ya know, you don't have to buy boosters constantly and you certainly don't have to buy all 3 types. If you think it's too expensive, stop spending so much - it's not like you'll suddenly find it so much more difficult to play; in fact you'll find no difference in how the game plays. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Draco Cerberus Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 582	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:31:00 - [3] - Quote Op, you're right we are paying to develop the game, devs need to eat right?I don't think the community as a whole wants to get rid of boosters, I for one wouldn't mind another active booster. I haven't paid for boosters though since full release of Uprising. I can't afford to. Between my Eve accounts, and upgrading hardware for both the PS3 and the computer my entertainment budget is spent. If you notice a difference in SP gain without the booster, that is the normal rate, and this is a pay to win game (skill points make you better). Hey devs, can I buy Aurum for PLEX (Concorde Pilot's License Extextion)? LogiGod earns his pips
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5653	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:40:00 - [4] - Quote I don't feel milked because I'm not forced to buy boosters. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 441	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:42:00 - [5] - Quote I think EVE subscriptions are about $15 per month...I would be ok with that for Dust but not a dime more. Lots of advantages for subscription based gaming BUT this is billed entirely as a Free To Play game. I can see this changing with the eventual port to PS4 in a year or so but definetly not now.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5658	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:17:00 - [6] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I think EVE subscriptions are about $15 per month...I would be ok with that for Dust but not a dime more. Lots of advantages for subscription based gaming BUT this is billed entirely as a Free To Play game. I can see this changing with the eventual port to PS4 in a year or so but definetly not now. Believe it or not, there are players out there who think $5/month is too expensive. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 675	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:25:00 - [7] - Quote The F2P model is important for this game. Many people signed up early and haven't logged in since. They are acruing passive SP and are much more likely to come back and try DUST again when it's "out of beta." The system encourages long-term loyalty and makes it easy for those who have stepped away from the game to be lured back to spend their banked up SP. Boosters are optional, not too overpowered and 100% necessary to keep development moving forward. There is a small playerbase, so each player needs to pay more than a game with a huge player base. Think of it as a premium for having a huge advantage over everyone else when DUST starts to reach its potential and players start flooding in. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 224	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:42:00 - [8] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I think EVE subscriptions are about $15 per month...I would be ok with that for Dust but not a dime more. Lots of advantages for subscription based gaming BUT this is billed entirely as a Free To Play game. I can see this changing with the eventual port to PS4 in a year or so but definetly not now. Considering that EVE is FAR FAR better than this, AND they get the chance to earn PLEX. Boosters are overpriced but what can you do if you want to use them ! . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 31 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 389	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:06:00 - [9] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Op, you're right we are paying to develop the game, devs need to eat right?I don't think the community as a whole wants to get rid of boosters, I for one wouldn't mind another active booster. I haven't paid for boosters though since full release of Uprising. I can't afford to. Between my Eve accounts, and upgrading hardware for both the PS3 and the computer my entertainment budget is spent. If you notice a difference in SP gain without the booster, that is the normal rate, and this is a pay to win game (skill points make you better). Hey devs, can I buy Aurum for PLEX (Concorde Pilot's License Extextion)? It's not pay to win because boosters don't give you something a free player will never be able to access. So what if you get ten days worth of SP on seven and a half. I'll be able to use the same gear you have access to. It's not like you get weapons, armor, ammo, and other gear that's twice as good as anything a free player can get. You want to see pay to win, play Dark Orbit, Pirate Galaxy, even BSG Online. There are hundreds of games out there with a true Pay to Win structure. Dust isn't one of them. The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
Draco Cerberus Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 584	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:34:00 - [10] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Op, you're right we are paying to develop the game, devs need to eat right?I don't think the community as a whole wants to get rid of boosters, I for one wouldn't mind another active booster. I haven't paid for boosters though since full release of Uprising. I can't afford to. Between my Eve accounts, and upgrading hardware for both the PS3 and the computer my entertainment budget is spent. If you notice a difference in SP gain without the booster, that is the normal rate, and this is a pay to win game (skill points make you better). Hey devs, can I buy Aurum for PLEX (Concorde Pilot's License Extextion)? It's not pay to win because boosters don't give you something a free player will never be able to access. So what if you get ten days worth of SP on seven and a half. I'll be able to use the same gear you have access to. It's not like you get weapons, armor, ammo, and other gear that's twice as good as anything a free player can get. You want to see pay to win, play Dark Orbit, Pirate Galaxy, even BSG Online. There are hundreds of games out there with a true Pay to Win structure. Dust isn't one of them. And as I said in another similar thread... So who's holding a weapon on you and forcing you to spend real money on the game? If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Boosters and aurum gear are not necessary. They're there so impatient people with money to burn can buy a time advantage. Boosters = faster SP gains. Aurum gear = lower skill requirements on higher tier gear. I understand the concept of something that any player could get, but if I were to have played right from the beginning with boosters I would have double the Max SP of a player without boosters ever. That sir is something that a player is unable to achieve without paying. LogiGod earns his pips

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 627	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:27:00 - [11] - Quote I honestly think they should milk PlayStation Home FAR FAR more than they have, which is zilch. The amount of stuff people buy on that Free to Play platform is mind-boggling. CCP, forget about the fallout from the Monocle Gate, get your people on selling EVE and Dust suits and clothing there. You'll thank me. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5676	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:34:00 - [12] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: I honestly think they should milk PlayStation Home FAR FAR more than they have, which is zilch. The amount of stuff people buy on that Free to Play platform is mind-boggling. CCP, forget about the fallout from the Monocle Gate, get your people on selling EVE and Dust suits and clothing there. You'll thank me. Tell me about it. That Event Horizon lounge needs some more people and I don't mind paying for DUST vanity items on PSHome. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 631	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:41:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: I honestly think they should milk PlayStation Home FAR FAR more than they have, which is zilch. The amount of stuff people buy on that Free to Play platform is mind-boggling. CCP, forget about the fallout from the Monocle Gate, get your people on selling EVE and Dust suits and clothing there. You'll thank me. Tell me about it. That Event Horizon lounge needs some more people and I don't mind paying for DUST vanity items on PSHome. Yes, there are so many missed opportunities in not selling a Dust 514 themed clubhouse. I know so many people that would jump on something like that. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5680	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:42:00 - [14] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: I honestly think they should milk PlayStation Home FAR FAR more than they have, which is zilch. The amount of stuff people buy on that Free to Play platform is mind-boggling. CCP, forget about the fallout from the Monocle Gate, get your people on selling EVE and Dust suits and clothing there. You'll thank me. Tell me about it. That Event Horizon lounge needs some more people and I don't mind paying for DUST vanity items on PSHome. Yes, there are so many missed opportunities in not selling a Dust 514 themed clubhouse. I know so many people that would jump on something like that. /rams money down CCP's throat CCP, stop thinking and make this happen! OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5680	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:43:00 - [15] - Quote I like to have a house that reminds me of Jita or Dodixie. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 631	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:44:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: I honestly think they should milk PlayStation Home FAR FAR more than they have, which is zilch. The amount of stuff people buy on that Free to Play platform is mind-boggling. CCP, forget about the fallout from the Monocle Gate, get your people on selling EVE and Dust suits and clothing there. You'll thank me. Tell me about it. That Event Horizon lounge needs some more people and I don't mind paying for DUST vanity items on PSHome. Yes, there are so many missed opportunities in not selling a Dust 514 themed clubhouse. I know so many people that would jump on something like that. /rams money down CCP's throat CCP, stop thinking and make this happen! I sent Hans a link about this, but more community members need to stir up this topic to get their attention. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5681	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:49:00 - [17] - Quote @jadek You can contact the CPM in the council chamber section of the forums. Hans is also available on Skype. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Draco Cerberus Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 585	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:00:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I like to have a house that reminds me of Jita or Dodixie. Do you want the Wal-mart greeter too?...damn wrong world. LogiGod earns his pips


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