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Posted - 2013.12.07 00:30:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:and to CCP if your still out there. Every buff and nerf is a slap in the face (or tickle) to the players time and money spent in game. No one can argue that the most precious commodity are Skill Points. Yet these points are drastically reduced when the nerf hammer comes down. I put time and money into a skill, when it changes, allowing me no recourse is thievery.
Thievery exemption in small print at the end of a contract is still thievery at heart but it tells me I have no right to my desired recourse. I still feel betrayed.
My point is ease up on the nerf celebration because many players feel cheated over their skill points now being misspent.
therefore nothing should ever be buffed or nerfed or changed in any way |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:00:00 -
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lDocHollidayl wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:lDocHollidayl wrote:and to CCP if your still out there. Every buff and nerf is a slap in the face (or tickle) to the players time and money spent in game. No one can argue that the most precious commodity are Skill Points. Yet these points are drastically reduced when the nerf hammer comes down. I put time and money into a skill, when it changes, allowing me no recourse is thievery.
Thievery exemption in small print at the end of a contract is still thievery at heart but it tells me I have no right to my desired recourse. I still feel betrayed.
My point is ease up on the nerf celebration because many players feel cheated over their skill points now being misspent. therefore nothing should ever be buffed or nerfed or changed in any way or offer a respec to any changes... sounds more logical imo. Compared to other games these are quite the changes. AND I want changes...a game that has a patch monthly to improve player experience sounds appealing. BUT honestly, what percentage of flaylocks SP is currently being used. I would bet 1%. For every 100 players that put SP into flaylocks 1 person will run them. If that doesn't sound like a robbery I do not know what does. It isn't too damning to the weaker player base...but if someone went prof 5 into swarms and this nerf changes their effectiveness to the flaylock.....that is a lotta SP. Was this the players fault? They should have never specced so deep? All the "respecs ruin the game" crowd wait till 3 million of your SP becomes useless. I would love to hear your song then.
No respecs is the core foundation of the game therefore respecs are never a solution. therefore nothing should ever be buffed, nerfed, or changed in any way.
if you want respecs find a new game.
respecs arnt a thing in this game, they dont exsist.
also 99% of people who speced into flaylocks did so BECAUSE they were OP, and in the back of their mind they knew they would be nerfed.
no respecs only hurts people who purposly spec into things that are OP because of it being OP
people are in this position because they keep assuming that eventually they will get a respec, instead of just spending their points under the assumption that no matter what happens they will never get them back.
TLDR once you spend SP you NEVER get it back (outside of comeplete rebalances that effect skills), so spend it wisly and stop complaining when something you speced into because it was OP get nerfed.
the solution to the problem is just to concider weather or not you will regert spending the points before you actually spend them. |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:20:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
No respecs is the core foundation of the game
therefore respecs are never a solution.
therefore nothing should ever be buffed, nerfed, or changed in any way.
if you want respecs find a new game.
CCP wasting player SP must also be a core foundation. Respecs may not be a solution for you since you're most likely specced into viable EZ mode gear. Everyone against respecs at least have ARs, Med suits, and a Logi specced. I wouldn't need a respec if CCP didn't break gear I specced into. It's not a matter of nerfing, buffing, or balancing. CCP just smashes something deemed unworthy into uselessness. Many have already left. As soon as PS4 comes out with it's next model, I'll be gone too.
im a demo logi with an SMG, a python pilot, and have the the SP spent to have a well rounded shield railtank.
the railtank is dead weight, but i spent the points knowing i would never get them back. now a vehicle refund has happened to change that, but thats an exception not the rule. if i spec into the railtank again it will be under the assumption that i wont get the points back all the same.
the point is this is a game thats constantly changing and the ONLY way to avoid the situation you discribe would to be either to institute basically infinate respecs or never change anything.
how about you just grow a pair and take responsability for your desision to spend points and accept before you spend them that the thing you spec into WILL change at some point. |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:37:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
im a demo logi with an SMG, a python pilot, and have the the SP spent to have a well rounded shield railtank.
the railtank is dead weight, but i spent the points knowing i would never get them back. now a vehicle refund has happened to change that, but thats an exception not the rule. if i spec into the railtank again it will be under the assumption that i wont get the points back all the same.
the point is this is a game thats constantly changing and the ONLY way to avoid the situation you discribe would to be either to institute basically infinate respecs or never change anything.
how about you just grow a pair and take responsability for your desision to spend points and accept before you spend them that chances are it will change at some point.
You're a really funny guy ya know that? I'm specced into scouts for my hit and run play style. When I first specced scouts in Chrome and uprising(release), they were somewhat viable. I specced swarms for the murder taxi FOTM. I specced Minnie Assault for it's mobility. I even have Nova Knives specced to prof 3 when they actually could connect and scanners weren't around. I specced Mass driver for CQC maps. Yet by your logic I should have seen all of CCP's crippling changes coming. Yep I should of grown a pair and specced Logi + AR. I mean it is AR 514 right? Get real.
nope you shoudl of speced into them knowing they would ineviutably be changed and knowing you would never get the points back.
its a fact of the game, and if upsets you then theres nothing that can be done about that. your just going to have to live with it.
accept its inevitable change before you spend teh damn points.
i also have an ADV Novaknife Minja, i speced into it AFTER the crippling nerf :P deciding that it doesnt friggen matter i wanted to knife people and know that in fact it will probably get even worse.
i still wont regret it. |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:49:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote: FG didn't need to be tweaked as bad as swarms did. But glad both were. Would like the FG to get a large nerf against dropships considering how bad they are and that I can two hit even the most tanky dropships.
nothing short of a breach is two shotting my ship :P
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:55:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
nope you shoudl of speced into them knowing they would ineviutably be changed and knowing you would never get the points back.
its a fact of the game, and if upsets you then theres nothing that can be done about that. your just going to have to live with it.
accept its inevitable change before you spend teh damn points.
i also have an ADV Novaknife Minja, i speced into it AFTER the crippling nerf :P deciding that it doesnt friggen matter i wanted to knife people and know that in fact it will probably get even worse.
i still wont regret it.
I guarantee you wouldn't spout this crap if CCP rendered more than 60% of your SP useless (not including core skills). Nobody is arguing changes, we're arguing breaking. PLC, Commando, HMG, Scout, Flaylock, Nova Knives, Swarms(1.7) Laser Rifle(1.7 gets worse), Dropships, and Shield extenders(DMG mods just work better) Again by your logic I should have seen all of CCP's tweaks, nerfs, and balances coming from the get go.
well i have a novaknife scout. i have a dropship i have a shield railtank i have minmatar assault (medium frame but same dif) flaylocks
so i fall into about half of your list, the other half i didnt spec into because it wasnt minmatar (or caldari for vehicles)
so i guarentee you that i WOULD and DO.
i have about 8-9 mil invested in the above items. out of my 24mil SP.
and by my logic you should awknowledge that everything will inevitably change, becuase it will, and i dare you to try to explain to me your resining for believing nothing int he game would ever change or that some things would somehow escape change. |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 02:09:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
well i have a novaknife scout. i have a dropship i have a shield railtank i have minmatar assault (medium frame but same dif) flaylocks
so i fall into about half of your list, the other half i didnt spec into because it wasnt minmatar (or caldari for vehicles)
so i guarentee you that i WOULD and DO.
and by my logic you should awknowledge that everything will inevitably change, becuase it will, and i dare you to try to explain to me your resining for believing nothing int he game would ever change or that some things would somehow escape change.
So saying that nobody should get reimbursed for CCP's lazy coding and over zealous bat swinging shows that you suffer from insanity. You fail to understand there's a difference between change and replace. CCP has replaced more than half of my sp with useless gear to remind me why I should never go against the crowd. AR & Logis haven't changed for the worse and you're specced into one of the two, so I can't reason with you. [Rhyme]
ironically the gallante AR is something i DID spec into but regret :P not that i want the points back, i knew what i was getting and i accept that.
and im not your typical logi. i diddnt spec into it for any reason other then its the only suit that can have both remote explosives and nanohives at the same time, i run around in a "sever" logi with my "toxin" smg blowing people up with explosives from afar (or up close for fun)
i rarely run full proto and even then its usually just to test a particular setup at its max. i could probably gear up with the triage hives and damage mods on a duvolle and stomp some ambushes but to me thats not much fun. i play to do odd things, and a remote specialist is what ill always be, EVEN if remotes get changed or nerfed into oblivion ill STILL use them, if only to prove you still can.
and unfortunatly you have failed to understand teh difference between change and replace. replace would be if you spent points in AR and ended up with points in a mass driver :P |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 02:27:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote: FG didn't need to be tweaked as bad as swarms did. But glad both were. Would like the FG to get a large nerf against dropships considering how bad they are and that I can two hit even the most tanky dropships.
nothing short of a breach is two shotting my ship :P ~2100 damage a shot before the nerf. Damage mods are a *****
not enough to 2 shot me :P
we tested, breach forges are the only way to 2 shot the ship after some skill investment :P
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Posted - 2013.12.07 02:33:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
ironically the gallante AR is something i DID spec into but regret :P not that i want the points back, i knew what i was getting and i accept that.
and im not your typical logi. i diddnt spec into it for any reason other then its the only suit that can have both remote explosives and nanohives at the same time, i run around in a "sever" logi with my "toxin" smg blowing people up with explosives from afar (or up close for fun)
i rarely run full proto and even then its usually just to test a particular setup at its max. i could probably gear up with the triage hives and damage mods on a duvolle and stomp some ambushes but to me thats not much fun. i play to do odd things, and a remote specialist is what ill always be, EVEN if remotes get changed or nerfed into oblivion ill STILL use them, if only to prove you still can.
and unfortunatly you have failed to understand teh difference between change and replace. replace would be if you spent points in AR and ended up with points in a mass driver :P
Long posts you have, dense you are. I'm done talking with you. It's like talking about Muscle cars to import tuners. + You fit my description AR Logi that doesn't understand why others want respecs. Bye bye
its not about wanting a respec, its about knowing your not going to get one when you spend the points in the first place.
and if a logi is saying that he knows hes going to get nerfed into the ground because of logi QQ and doesnt give a **** doesnt that hold some weight to it?
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:59:00 -
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Ninjanomyx wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:PEW JACKSON wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
ironically the gallante AR is something i DID spec into but regret :P not that i want the points back, i knew what i was getting and i accept that.
and im not your typical logi. i diddnt spec into it for any reason other then its the only suit that can have both remote explosives and nanohives at the same time, i run around in a "sever" logi with my "toxin" smg blowing people up with explosives from afar (or up close for fun)
i rarely run full proto and even then its usually just to test a particular setup at its max. i could probably gear up with the triage hives and damage mods on a duvolle and stomp some ambushes but to me thats not much fun. i play to do odd things, and a remote specialist is what ill always be, EVEN if remotes get changed or nerfed into oblivion ill STILL use them, if only to prove you still can.
and unfortunatly you have failed to understand teh difference between change and replace. replace would be if you spent points in AR and ended up with points in a mass driver :P
Long posts you have, dense you are. I'm done talking with you. It's like talking about Muscle cars to import tuners. + You fit my description AR Logi that doesn't understand why others want respecs. Bye bye its not about wanting a respec, its about knowing your not going to get one when you spend the points in the first place. and if a logi is saying that he knows hes going to get nerfed into the ground because of logi QQ and doesnt give a **** doesnt that hold some weight to it? im pretty sure there isnt a single thing anyone on the planet can say to you that would change your position. and that fact doesnt negate my position, it kinda just debases yours. Your incredible ignorance has "Evolved" into sheer lunacy. You are rallying for a mass masochism in an already dwindling BETA......... Side-Note: As a Tanker I have 13 Mil invested in Vehicle Trees. This includes 1 Lvl of Limbus LLAV & an "SP Sink" into Vehicle Maneuvering 5 (1.2 Mil of wasted SP on absolutely nothing.....) This is literally in only STD Madrugar Optimization, no Transporters, Shield Hardeners, MCRU, etc......just the Base Max for a Solo STD HAV with Proto Turrets. Not even my Large Missiles got past Level 3, & Small Hybrid is @ 2. I knowingly avoided the serious SP/ISK Sink that is LOLEnforcers, yet even with the accidental Maneuvering Fail.....& only access to STD HAV.....I still managed to dump 13 Mil into a very limited Class. Vehicles will be even more limited in 1.7.....yet will require an even greater SP Sink. I'm @ about 34 Mil SP.....but guess what??? I'm not comfortable with being the ignorant masochist who hoardes 19 Mil Unallocated SP in hopes that I may get to actually spec Tank. I can't sit idle on my investments for a Year+ in prayer that this game gets good. I can't be complacent & wait as CCP literally subtracts from my investments every step of the way.....(No ADV, PRO, ENF, less Module Variety & Slots), while most Infantry have fun with everything up to Officer Tier.....& LP Store exacerbates the issue. What about that Pilot Suit that I've been awaiting since "Alpha"??? So I spend 19 Mil SP on a MinLogi AR with max Cores & Equips (Except ADV Scanner & STD Uplink). Why you ask??? B/C I want to try and play this F**KING "Game", & sitting on my hands with near 20 Mil Unallocated is counterproductive as F**K!!!!! As a Vehicle Main I had an intended Path, that has now been lead astray because subtracting Content while adding SP Sinks to an already terribad SP/ISK Sink is the CCP Dev FOTM. But no.....Respecs are bad b/c Chances Ghost never had a Ghost of a Chance to Get Gud, so he plays possum 'till all the Bijuu/Kaiju leave for greener pastures so he may later feign leadership over the last 3 players left on DUST 514 SOONtm
you DO know you can spend that SP on other **** while you wait right? i was a tanker once, and i never even bothered to get the proto railgun. and still havnt to this day. i was still able to roll with some of the best and had fun ganging up on those who were my better :P
you know me, you know i have skill. theres no excuse for this kind of **** wagging.
respecs are bad in general, because as long as there are people who believe they will be able to respec, people will continue to make poor choices when spending their SP.
its a vicious cycle, they need a respec because they expected there would be one when they spent their points.
stop throwing a temper tantrum. |
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