DUST Search - [Math] Standard vs Proto (With Numbers)

Samoset Detrium wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

I don't mind the way that things are and really proto stomping isn't the problem , it's the matchmaking system and trying to come up with a system that can help new players to grow and at the same time give the vets something that can keep them interested .
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That's what a good few people are trying to advocate here. were not trying to get rid of the system so much as working to make it more enjoyable for all people to any play, regardless of skill level. Im all for being able to show off how much time and effort you put off into this game, otherwise I wouldn't have even invested money into it. But when I come across a match where my fully Advanced Caldari Assault Suit still doesn't even pay off for itself, what more can you expect from me than frustration at not being able to hold up my end of the bargain still even after almost 8M worth of lifetime SP? That's why I wholeheartedly agree for any type of matchmaking that involves playing at certain levels of skill. Whether that's playing proto to proto, adv. vs. adv. or stand. vs. stand. Or in one case that I have seen ((though I don't believe this idea will work that well at all)) balancing out teams by totaling the SP count on both sides, there needs to be something that will try to keep everyone happy. The only problem I can see with the first option I presented would be that our proto players would be forced to fight on even playing fields now and they would b**** ((excuse the language)) and moan about not having easy matches anymore, that they would get their almost guaranteed right at killing academy fresh newberries taken away and its just not fair anymore to them like the bubble blown babies that they are. This comment isn't directed to anyone with proto gear at all, just the ones that go into matches with full proto gear, knowing full well they face a almost completely fresh team if not a semi decent one.

No offense except for Capital Punishment, and only then to Troll on the Capital part


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 172	Posted - 2013.12.09 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote I can get what your saying pertaining to new players and the value of the gear and all but , why must people try and change things about this game that makes it stand out from other games ??? Yes some are at a disadvantage but if they play then they will eventually obtain said gear . Call me simple minded but work that one places in anything should pay off and I don't see the system as being impeding one of climbing to ANY status or something being too much out of a range to achieve or obtain . In life something's have advantages over others just like people or systems of government . Some might see this as being right and others see this as something wrong or manipulative but in this case it just takes hard work to achieve something and that shouldn't be a problem . It shouldn't be easy for anyone who are just starting out playing Dust or they shouldn't even think about being on a level with someone who has put in countless hours and battles in this game . That's just insulting and small minded . Yes there should be ways to retain and increase new player numbers but not at the changing of a system that is set up to reward those who work . This is not perfect but it is fair and honest in it's structure . Everyone has the same opportunities even though the same outcomes will not be experienced and that's rightfully so . I don't mind the way that things are and really proto stomping isn't the problem , it's the matchmaking system and trying to come up with a system that can help new players to grow and at the same time give the vets something that can keep them interested . I love the structure and system of the game and in fact it's one of the things that keeps me here and entertained because it keep me striving for excellence . It's not fair so to say , to those who are first staring but that's only right because they have a long road ahead of them and a lot of work that MUST be put into becoming a good player even more a great one and just like in life , we are born free but we are not all on the same playing field or level . That's just the way it goes and has been for quite some time . All the reasoning , numbers and calculations in the world won't and can't change that . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 172	Posted - 2013.12.09 15:38:00 - [2] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The OP has a good idea. I like how the assault has no equipment slot. Thats how the balance is had. It must rely on the logi for ammo and repairs. Likewise, the logo cannot deal as much damage, and therefore relies on the assault to kill its enemies. I have respect for players and their roles but can ANYONE and I MEAN ANYONE explain how , Assaults not having equipment slots is " HELP FULL " to an Assault when they might be in a situation where there is NO LOGI or Storage Depot around or just to simply not have one ???? Assaults need equipment and plenty of it and I am not cheapening the role of a Logi but this keeps coming up and I would just like someone to make some since of this and why does it keep being suggested ??? " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 172	Posted - 2013.12.09 15:50:00 - [3] - Quote Samoset Detrium wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I don't mind the way that things are and really proto stomping isn't the problem , it's the matchmaking system and trying to come up with a system that can help new players to grow and at the same time give the vets something that can keep them interested . . That's what a good few people are trying to advocate here. were not trying to get rid of the system so much as working to make it more enjoyable for all people to any play, regardless of skill level. Im all for being able to show off how much time and effort you put off into this game, otherwise I wouldn't have even invested money into it. But when I come across a match where my fully Advanced Caldari Assault Suit still doesn't even pay off for itself, what more can you expect from me than frustration at not being able to hold up my end of the bargain still even after almost 8M worth of lifetime SP? That's why I wholeheartedly agree for any type of matchmaking that involves playing at certain levels of skill. Whether that's playing proto to proto, adv. vs. adv. or stand. vs. stand. Or in one case that I have seen ((though I don't believe this idea will work that well at all)) balancing out teams by totaling the SP count on both sides, there needs to be something that will try to keep everyone happy. The only problem I can see with the first option I presented would be that our proto players would be forced to fight on even playing fields now and they would b** ((excuse the language)) and moan about not having easy matches anymore, that they would get their almost guaranteed right at killing academy fresh newberries taken away and its just not fair anymore to them like the bubble blown babies that they are. This comment isn't directed to anyone with proto gear at all, just the ones that go into matches with full proto gear, knowing full well they face a almost completely fresh team if not a semi decent one. No offense except for Capital Punishment, and only then to Troll on the Capital part I'm in the same boat that you are in . I'm at 8 mil too and use the same suit but on 12 / 10 / 2013 that will all change , also there are just some excellent players in this game where no matter what you put them in , they just seem to find a way to win . Most of the time skill plays a big part but the bigger part is the opponent's mind and how it works . Some are just skillful at killing more so than others . I wouldn't mind prototype players playing matches strictly against each other . Why isn't that fair ??? That is the best against the best isn't it ??? I see so many people on here saying that they are the best and asking who's the best ...???... so this can solve all of that . But it won't happen . " BANE** " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!