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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.06 16:02:00 -
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Battle Academy should be lengthened to 20,000 to 50,000 WP, not tiered. How would we find new recruits for corporations if all battles were tiered? This is a much promoted bad idea.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:00:00 -
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Samoset Detrium wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Battle Academy should be lengthened to 20,000 to 50,000 WP, not tiered. How would we find new recruits for corporations if all battles were tiered? This is a much promoted bad idea. That could be agreed on as far as a war point total to get out, that would give the newberries time enough to earn enough sp and get somewhere. It wont be much, but if they know what they are doing, they can have at least either a proto suit or a few advanced and maybe a proto weapon out of the academy. You could still search for new recruits in the game types as well if you want to take it a step further and grade their performance based on the Tier type to their performance in match. That's how I ended up being with O.T.F for a little while because one of the directors found me doing better than him in a likewise half advanced suit. He had a much better SP count of course, but when it comes to having an equal playing ground (semi equal anyways, Skill boosts and all)) You should be able to tell who has the skill out of the rest. :)
While I share the frustration of newberries not having the SP to go against other proto level players I find that the smart ones will do what they need to to survive longer and the smarter ones still will run starter fits until there is a reason to run something other than their cheap stuff. Complete matches by furthering team goals and still do well on wp because hacking, couterhacking and getting assists and finishing kills will still earn WP.
Getting paired with proto players will often teach new guys the ropes quite quickly. I advocate a basic knowledge as to what to do, and don't think that 20-50k SP is going to be enough to proto a suit or weapon but do think it is quite possibly enough to understand what to do in game to get further ahead when joining matches against protobears and militia pub stompers alike.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.07 15:45:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Getting paired with proto players will often teach new guys the ropes quite quickly. Good thought. Since non-tiered matches between vets and newbies are so successful in Dust I think they should introduce the same mechanic in Eve online. I'm sure the devs of Eve online will respond very well to removing Concord from that game. The community is going to love it and new player retention will surely improve!
New players in Eve as low SP as a 3 month old character can be flying interceptors and making a difference in NULL sec. Concorde has nothing to do with it. BTW Concorde interacts with Old players just like New players. Empire control of High Sec has Concorde in place. What would happen if Null brawlers decided to come north of the -0.1 Systems and declare war on the Empires?
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.07 15:48:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Samoset Detrium wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Battle Academy should be lengthened to 20,000 to 50,000 WP, not tiered. How would we find new recruits for corporations if all battles were tiered? This is a much promoted bad idea. That could be agreed on as far as a war point total to get out, that would give the newberries time enough to earn enough sp and get somewhere. It wont be much, but if they know what they are doing, they can have at least either a proto suit or a few advanced and maybe a proto weapon out of the academy. You could still search for new recruits in the game types as well if you want to take it a step further and grade their performance based on the Tier type to their performance in match. That's how I ended up being with O.T.F for a little while because one of the directors found me doing better than him in a likewise half advanced suit. He had a much better SP count of course, but when it comes to having an equal playing ground (semi equal anyways, Skill boosts and all)) You should be able to tell who has the skill out of the rest. :) While I share the frustration of newberries not having the SP to go against other proto level players I find that the smart ones will do what they need to to survive longer and the smarter ones still will run starter fits until there is a reason to run something other than their cheap stuff. Complete matches by furthering team goals and still do well on wp because hacking, couterhacking and getting assists and finishing kills will still earn WP. Getting paired with proto players will often teach new guys the ropes quite quickly. I advocate a basic knowledge as to what to do, and don't think that 20-50k SP is going to be enough to proto a suit or weapon but do think it is quite possibly enough to understand what to do in game to get further ahead when joining matches against protobears and militia pub stompers alike. You mean like 10 snipers in one game while your squad is the only one who does something. SUUUUUURE
Haha you sound like you think that you are the only one this has happened to. Some noobs will join squads, talk to people on team chat, you never know, heck one day I found a 14 year old who although he had some issues with keeping coms clear, was able to run with the squad just fine, said his toon was 2 months old.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.07 15:51:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Ain't gonna happen. There is no mechanism in the Battle Finder to resolve any of the issues that you, accurately, pointed out. There is no matchmaking in DUST. There is none in EVE beyond the security levels as far as I can tell (non-EVE player). There is nothing to prevent PvP scams, ganking and other villainy. Because that is how New Eden functions. Ganking Paradise. From a more boring technical standpoint we have an amazing lack of information. How many Mercs are actively waiting for battles? Per battle type and per FW race as well. There would need to be some limit on what people can use in a match, maybe not but that is what has been requested since the BETA. For example: Proto and Vehicles have been repeatedly asked to be set as either on or off. An all Proto match or a no-Proto match would be the hoped for battle. Or they could limit battle choices on any of: Total WP, total SP, allocated SP (since we know total and unallocated that should be easy). Make a weekly adjustment until some of the QQ subsides and/or the New Berries continue playing the game. Also, if there is enough AUR being purchased ... frankly CCP/Shanghai (and CCP/Mothership) probably won't care.  I would like to start choosing maps. As it is now, from certain positions I just Leave Battle. Why bother when the map position is this bad? mAnus Peak from the South. Welcome to DUST. 
If I want to use my Cynabal to gank you in High Sec I will, especially if you fit your Hulk like GameMeister.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:44:00 -
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Thorn Badblood wrote:OR you could make academy last until you have 2-3 mil SP.
The only issue with this is the fact that you can let a toon sit and accumulate SP without playing Dust at all, come back and have 10mil SP and still not know what to do.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:46:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Thorn Badblood wrote:OR you could make academy last until you have 2-3 mil SP. It just needs to be tiered out and game match making introduced
Kill Scotty, then let the rest of us sort out on our own where and who we are fighting, no matchmaking, no lobby, just wander the planets and find things to do, people to kill and loot to salvage based on what we kill, add a salvage tool for logibros, and find someone a soother and a blanket for people getting butt hurt by proto bears, there are plenty of ways to kill them.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:56:00 -
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Jooki Chewaka wrote:I think that the most reasonable way is just forget about tiers and WP and include another filter, where you chose which match you want, normal, advanced or proto, and on this matches only this gear is allowed.
I've got 12m sp, but i only use militia BPOs, would i be overpowered playing only in normal gear matches?
I have proven more than once that in the hands of a skilled operator even a Militia AR can and is Lethal to most who are lower level of skills, another reason for advocating a solution that is not based on a lobby.
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