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Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 451	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote Hi folks, This thread is an attempt to put together a calm, rational list of scout underpoweredness. Please first note what this thread is NOT: It is not a place to rant. It is not a place to put in random pie-in-the-sky wishes for scouts. This is a place to point out where *current mechanics and spec for the scout simply dont make sense. Hopefully, the initial items set a clear example to follow. If you play scout, and have other basic things like this to point out, please add. It makes no sense that the gallente scout variant, has a walking speed, that is almost the same as a minmatar MEDIUM suit. 5.5m/s vs 5.3m/s It makes no sense that the gallente scout variant, has a sprinting speed, that is almost the same as a minmatar MEDIUM suit. 7.6m/s vs 7.4m/s
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 451	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved for future post. Please post your comments after this one.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 463	Posted - 2013.12.05 22:05:00 - [3] - Quote I'm going to post an additional "more details" post on my own thread :) because I want the higher level to stay clean. More details for a scan precision and range comparison The best combination of passive precision+ range a scout can do, with complex range, complex precision, is with the adv suit. complex range gives 45%, 101%, 153%, 185% complex precision gives -20%, -33.9%, -41.45% (numbers from http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties ) So, an ADV minmatar scout should be able to get 16* 1.5 * 2.01= 48m, @ (45 * .9 * (1-.33)) = 27.1dB A gallente medium proto, with 3h/4l, should be able to get 10 * 1.5 * 2.85 = 42m, @ (55 * .9 * (1- .41)) = 29.2 dB So.. Fairly comparable passive scan capabilities, but with 330HP instead of 170 yes, it's slower and more visible. That being said, it will be able to likewise see a very high number of scouts that attempt to sneak up on it. The medium would, for example, be able to see the hypothetical ADV minmatar scout above, who would have a scan profile of, at best, 45 * .9 * .75 =30.3dB IF scout suit AND dampening skills were CAPPED! From 40m meters away!! Visible from 40m = Dead Scout.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 466	Posted - 2013.12.05 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote Thanks for taking the time to write, guys. Please keep in mind, though, like the first post says: this is not a wishlist thread. This is a "what is broken about current mechanics for scout" thread.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 466	Posted - 2013.12.05 22:34:00 - [5] - Quote GRIM GEAR wrote: I am concerned at how close the medium assaults suits movement and sprinting speed is compared to scouts for example: Minmatar assault suit has 7.4 sprint speed, ... ...Gallente scout suit has 7.6 Sprint speed. And dont forget, a minmatar assault suit, with maxed biotics skill, has 7.7 sprint speed, no modules required.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 468	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:37:00 - [6] - Quote ELITE INQUISITOR wrote: Why can't a proto scout with profile dampening 5 not beat the duvolle scanner? . You can. IF you also stack 3 (?) proto dampeners on.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 469	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:55:00 - [7] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Perhaps some PG/CPU improvements or some slot improvements? For the record, scout, and medium frame, have almost identical pg and cpu. So, it would have to be slot improvements of some type.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 472	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:51:00 - [8] - Quote RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Besides the bonuses which need worked out across the board, the scouts need only two things. A second equipment slot and more CPU/PG. But not just enough to cover the equipment though. Enough to allow better modules and weapons to be fit. more cpu/pg would not be balanced. unfair to other suits more slots would be fair though. another eq slot would be a fun alternative.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 640	Posted - 2014.01.03 05:56:00 - [9] - Quote Bump to avoid thread locking just yet. At least until the devs get back from vacation and see this :-) The last dev weekly update, was around dec 6th I think

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