DUST Search - So, How About Those Commandos

Chunky Munkey wrote:

RedZer0 MK1 wrote:

Commando: specially trained units used for surprise, hit & run tactics

I have already suggested commandos move down a "dress" size to be relevant, and honestly, more fun. After playing with the black eagle suits, I couldn't help but think, "This is how commandos should feel". I had the speed and "tools" to deal with enemy combatants, but was vulnerable and relied heavily on team mates. The lack of equipment meant no scanner and no hives. Which limited my ability to lone wolf, which is a good trade off for weapon versatility and SPEED. Commandos can't tank like sentinels, which they shouldn't, but they are only marginally faster.

They could do with more lows and far better shield stats. They have half the shield regen of a Sentinel, and I cannot imagine a reason for that.
It'd also be nice to trade off their low speed for massive stamina. CCP seems to have been going for Rambo roleplay with this specialisation & I think high stamina & high melee fits the bill perfectly.

Oh and a specialisation bonus that isn't a complete joke would be nice too.

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RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote Commando: specially trained units used for surprise, hit & run tactics I have already suggested commandos move down a "dress" size to be relevant, and honestly, more fun. After playing with the black eagle suits, I couldn't help but think, "This is how commandos should feel". I had the speed and "tools" to deal with enemy combatants, but was vulnerable and relied heavily on team mates. The lack of equipment meant no scanner and no hives. Which limited my ability to lone wolf, which is a good trade off for weapon versatility and SPEED. Commandos can't tank like sentinels, which they shouldn't, but they are only marginally faster.
Ser Tarlon United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:35:00 - [2] - Quote I think that's a nice opinion. I agree with that, after i played the commando in comparison to the Black Eagle. Had waay more fun with the black eagle and better stats, with the short ttk in mind Black, Red - Strength, Dead Love bounties on my head
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1160	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote Leave my Commando alone, yo. They can surprisingly take quite a few hits. I've been doing absurd things with them, like using Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, and Nanites (or Nanohives) and it's been just a joyous ride for me. The reaction of people when a Commando is picking up people... goddamn priceless. Basically, the Commando is the "in between" of a heavy and a medium, which is the reasoning for their stats. Also keep in mind that these are Amarrian, who are infamous about having a lack of slots for health and whatnot boosted. I imagine the Minmitar Commando being faster, the Gallente's Commando having an extra low, and Caldari having an extra high (which will be really problematic in proper hands). As enjoyable as the Black Eagle is, it's a one trick pony. It has no application outside of an extremely few situations. I could run a scout with AR and get better results, or a scout with shotgun and potentially better results. I'm not hating on the Black Eagle- I personally like it. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
RED FARM Punishers of Uranus 7	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:37:00 - [4] - Quote They are usless. Slower than a logi with about the same overall HP, but with less slots. I guess they could be cool anti- armor? You could get 4 shots off quickly before reloading.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 380	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:38:00 - [5] - Quote whats a commando?
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 54	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:39:00 - [6] - Quote I think they just cost a little too much. If the price was on par with the current sentinel prices im sure you'd see more commando's running around.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2029	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:40:00 - [7] - Quote I mean if it was a medium frame it would be pretty op with the current stats... "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: I mean if it was a medium frame it would be pretty op with the current stats... Lol, no no. I should preface my statements with any changes would come stat tweaking. A six hundred base hp medium suit would be the definition of over powered.
danthrax martin Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:12:00 - [9] - Quote I play commando a lot. Its simplicity is actualy helping focus on how to use, know my weapons without crutches. I use it for almost every role.... But i love av roles. I use eveything but plasma cannon with it. I refuse to spec it, i really hate plasma snipers... First to die, and i dont cry, even after the thale sends my brain spray to the sky, before the orbital makes me pie!
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 397	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:13:00 - [10] - Quote I like the commando we have, for messing around with. Last night, I had a very good game [by my standards] using a recruit AR, a mlt Shotgun and a repair tool on the basic commando suit. Very fun, even if gimped and in need of tweaking [lots of it]. I also like the Black eagle. But... There is absolutely no reason why there can't be two "commandos." Black eagle-esque commandos and our current commandos can co-exist. Of course, some new class names and descriptions might be in order.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 956	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:28:00 - [11] - Quote maybe you're using it wrong. the commando is a monster.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 116	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:29:00 - [12] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I like the commando we have, for messing around with. Last night, I had a very good game [by my standards] using a recruit AR, a mlt Shotgun and a repair tool on the basic commando suit. Very fun, even if gimped and in need of tweaking [lots of it]. I also like the Black eagle. But... There is absolutely no reason why there can't be two "commandos." Black eagle-esque commandos and our current commandos can co-exist. Of course, some new class names and descriptions might be in order. I don't think CCP wants to have two of the same class across two frames. The commando is great for laughs, but that's about it.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2434	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:34:00 - [13] - Quote RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Commando: specially trained units used for surprise, hit & run tactics I have already suggested commandos move down a "dress" size to be relevant, and honestly, more fun. After playing with the black eagle suits, I couldn't help but think, "This is how commandos should feel". I had the speed and "tools" to deal with enemy combatants, but was vulnerable and relied heavily on team mates. The lack of equipment meant no scanner and no hives. Which limited my ability to lone wolf, which is a good trade off for weapon versatility and SPEED. Commandos can't tank like sentinels, which they shouldn't, but they are only marginally faster. They could do with more lows and far better shield stats. They have half the shield regen of a Sentinel, and I cannot imagine a reason for that. It'd also be nice to trade off their low speed for massive stamina. CCP seems to have been going for Rambo roleplay with this specialisation & I think high stamina & high melee fits the bill perfectly. Oh and a specialisation bonus that isn't a complete joke would be nice too. No.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 116	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:50:00 - [14] - Quote low genius wrote: maybe you're using it wrong. the commando is a monster. If it was we would see a lot more of them.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 116	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:57:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Commando: specially trained units used for surprise, hit & run tactics I have already suggested commandos move down a "dress" size to be relevant, and honestly, more fun. After playing with the black eagle suits, I couldn't help but think, "This is how commandos should feel". I had the speed and "tools" to deal with enemy combatants, but was vulnerable and relied heavily on team mates. The lack of equipment meant no scanner and no hives. Which limited my ability to lone wolf, which is a good trade off for weapon versatility and SPEED. Commandos can't tank like sentinels, which they shouldn't, but they are only marginally faster. They could do with more lows and far better shield stats. They have half the shield regen of a Sentinel, and I cannot imagine a reason for that. It'd also be nice to trade off their low speed for massive stamina. CCP seems to have been going for Rambo roleplay with this specialisation & I think high stamina & high melee fits the bill perfectly. Oh and a specialisation bonus that isn't a complete joke would be nice too. I too would like to know what the 10 shield rep is about, lol. More stamina doesn't help capitalize the high melee damage. Sprint speed on the other hand would allow commandos strike quickly, but they would have to have low stamina/movement instead. Commandos should be the poster child for run & gun, no equipment just destruction.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3704	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:59:00 - [16] - Quote I still believe that certain roles shouldn't be limited to one frame size. I love playing defensively in my heavy commando suit, but would also like to have a more mobile sentinel. Not a "delete heavy Commandos and create a light Commando" but rather "Add a light Commando." Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4560	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:05:00 - [17] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I still believe that certain roles shouldn't be limited to one frame size. I love playing defensively in my heavy commando suit, but would also like to have a more mobile sentinel. Not a "delete heavy Commandos and create a light Commando" but rather "Add a light Commando." I missed you Aero. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 397	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:06:00 - [18] - Quote RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I like the commando we have, for messing around with. Last night, I had a very good game [by my standards] using a recruit AR, a mlt Shotgun and a repair tool on the basic commando suit. Very fun, even if gimped and in need of tweaking [lots of it]. I also like the Black eagle. But... There is absolutely no reason why there can't be two "commandos." Black eagle-esque commandos and our current commandos can co-exist. Of course, some new class names and descriptions might be in order. I don't think CCP wants to have two of the same class across two frames. The commando is great for laughs, but that's about it. Think outside the box. Each one can be made unique, and given a niche to fill without treading on each others toes. Which is to say, they would not be the same class across two frames.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 93	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:19:00 - [19] - Quote I can see commando's hitting but not running away. They dont seem fast enough to make it out. The commando name is just wrong as the suit is played. It simply carries another light weapon slot to make it more versatile. currently their fine. Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 116	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:25:00 - [20] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: RedZer0 MK1 wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I like the commando we have, for messing around with. Last night, I had a very good game [by my standards] using a recruit AR, a mlt Shotgun and a repair tool on the basic commando suit. Very fun, even if gimped and in need of tweaking [lots of it]. I also like the Black eagle. But... There is absolutely no reason why there can't be two "commandos." Black eagle-esque commandos and our current commandos can co-exist. Of course, some new class names and descriptions might be in order. I don't think CCP wants to have two of the same class across two frames. The commando is great for laughs, but that's about it. Think outside the box. Each one can be made unique, and given a niche to fill without treading on each others toes. Which is to say, they would not be the same class across two frames. I live out of the box, lol. What makes the commando the commando (in dust) is two light weapons. Being two different sizes would dictate different slot load out, but that make them different in their role. Unless they got more equipment slots across sizes.



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