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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.05 07:57:00 -
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Hey CCP, if you didn't notice already, everyone that uses an active scanner twirls around in a circle getting a perfect 360-¦ scan.
When is this going to be fixed?
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.05 09:00:00 -
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I said to fix it, not how to fix it.
Despite the fact that it completely invalidates the Gallente Scout's role bonus and passive scanning in general, and that there is a variant that is impossible to avoid detection with no matter the suit or number of profile dampeners equipped it needs to be fixed.
(A) change that time the scanner is scanning (the white bar that depletes) to a charge mechanic. Release it as a single pulse so it is actually kittening limited by it's value on the item.
(B) get rid of the stupid twirling and just give it full 360-¦ scan.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:58:00 -
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gravalicious wrote:I agree that it completely invalidates the Gallente Scout's role, but there is absolutely a way to avoid detection in both scout suits.
Minmatar/Gallente Basic Scout Suit
Base Scan Profile = 45 dB
Low slots = 2
Minmatar/Gallente Scout Dropsuit Skill level 5 = 25% reduction to scan profile (total)
Profile Dampening level 5 = 10% reduction to dropsuit scan profile per level (total)
Complex Profile Dampener = 25% reduction in dropsuit's scan profile
Enhanced Profile Dampener = 20% reduction in dropsuit's scan profile
45 * 10% (due to the Profile Dampening skill) * 25% (due to the Minmatar/Gallente Scout Dropsuit skill) * 15% (due to the Basic Profile Dampener) * 25% (due to the Complex Profile Dampener) = 11.25
The best scanner is 15 dB
I hope this makes sense!
I also understand it's a LOT of skill training just to avoid the best Prototype Scanner. I'm just pointing out how it's possible to do it.
Your math is incorrect. 25% + 25% + 10% +15% does not equal 75%. Percentages are added one after the other. So the numbers are
45- 10% -25% - 25% - 15% would be calculated as 45*0.9*0.75*0.75*0.15 which is 19.36
However! All bonuses from modules that use percentages have a stacking penalty. Unfortunately this message is only displayed on damage mods. Since Profile Dampeners use percentages, they too fall in effectiveness when using them.
that means you only get down to 20.2.
Another part of DUST 514 that is left completely ambiguous is how they round and treat significant figures. If you have Gallente Scout Suit Operations V, Profile Dampening V, and equip 4 complex profile dampeners on a Scout gk.0 you have a mathematical value for your Signature Radius of 14.2dB
If that does work or does not work does not matter, if 2 or more modules are needed to complete with a single equipment slot then there is a great disparity in place.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:21:00 -
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gravalicious wrote:
Well that's ******** (<-- Mentally Slow). Where does it say percentages add up like that? Is it some "understood" reference somewhere? I understand how you're doing it [also, the last number in your (45*0.9*0.75*0.75*0.15) should be 0.85, but I got what you meant], but have you tested it? I'll admit I haven't due to a lack of skill, but this seems fishy. It wouldn't surprise me if that's really how it worked.
On the side, I've noticed that the Gallente scout's role isn't completely invalidated. It's extremely useful when I'm hacking an enemy CRU. I can always stop hacking when someone spawns, run around, and shotgun them without them managing to kill me while I can't see them.
It is one of those understood mechanics. Scouts have had a single thread of our own for 6 months, where we discuss the problems plaguing us and innovative strategies to make up for our suits' large deficiencies. So there's been a hundred-some people working with the numbers to test the values. It was also assumed by some people to work that way, because that's the way it works in EVE
Speaking of CRUs, did you know that all installations and null cannon consoles have a scan precision of 0 dB and a scan radius of somewhere between 20 and 50 meters? So that's why they can find you as they spawn, they see you on their TACNet because the game is made sure stealth is invalidated around installations- this was confirmed to be BY DESIGN
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.09 21:53:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Cass Caul wrote:
Speaking of CRUs, did you know that all installations and null cannon consoles have a scan precision of 0 dB and a scan radius of somewhere between 20 and 50 meters? So that's why they can find you as they spawn, they see you on their TACNet because the game is made sure stealth is invalidated around installations- this was confirmed to be BY DESIGN
I have profile dampening to 5. When I was hacking an enemy CRU with no additional dampeners on my suit, I did not show up on the enemy tacnet. I know this because a corpmate was on the other team and told me so. On what are you basing your information? Did you have someone else on the other side to verify that you showed up? Are you sure that someone else didn't just see you? Physical sight breaks dampening every time, and if you get your crosshairs on someone, they appear on your tacnet even outside of the typical 65m LOS detection range.
Sorry, but as I said, in that bold lettering, this effect is by design. Installation have a scan range and scan precision. DEV confirmation: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1497066#post1497066
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:47:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I know they do, but what are their values? As I said, I didn't show up on the enemy tacnet even though I was hacking the thing, and I had a 45dB scan profile. I was able to see enemies rehacking it though, presumably with 50dB scan profiles (medium suits), leading me to believe that the scan precision of installations is somewhere between 45 and 50. Either way, nothing to worry about for scouts.
Try reading that whole thread sweety. People with Scan Profile of under 27dB are getting scanned.
You're "friend," if this story is even true, was probably too far away to receive the benefit. Or perhaps they did not have the proficient periferial vision to see their whole screen. Because if you look at the whole thread you'd find that they are omnipotent. The installations have a scan precision of 0dB
You are running off of what is called "limited selection," it is a logical fallacy based off of taking the examples of a number that is less than significant for representing the whole. Because you have not noticed this specifically does not mean it does not exist.
Next time you play on the the Gallente Research Facility, go over to [B] if Iron Delta or Impact Ridge or [A] on Skim Junction- it is the same point- and stand at the letter without a scanner. If anyone, regardless of their suit, comes within the objective they will light up. Try and see someone "sneak" up the stairs only for them to appear on you TACNet.
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