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Cosgar ParagonX 8342	Posted - 2013.12.05 04:09:00 - [1] - Quote Something I mentioned in another thread to further balance weapons and TTK. Probably deserves its own discussion. Plasma Deals equal damage to Shields/Armor Range hard cap, short/mid range (depending on weapon) Fixed damage at all ranges, no damage falloff Rail 90%/110% shields/armor Uses current range system Less damage falloff at range EM/Laser 120%/80% shields/armor Deals bonus damage in proportion to heat buildup Range hard cap, medium/long range Moderate damage falloff at short range (depends on weapon) Projectile 95%/110% shields/armor Uses current range system Damage bonus at close range, drastic falloff at long range Explosive 80%/120% shields/armor No range limitations Damage falloff further away from splash epicenter Kicks up smoke/debris for limited suppression effect (depends on weapon) I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 8384	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:53:00 - [2] - Quote Bump I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Kane Fyea 2323	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:06:00 - [3] - Quote Just one thing, are you proposing to make plasma based weapons shoot farther then projectile weapons if so (If not then disregard this post) then I think that should change since projectiles should shoot farther then weapons that shoot plasma.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 785	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:10:00 - [4] - Quote Indeed a valid idea and one worth discussing. Have a raging headache from being on the forums so much today, but I'll gladly bump this along for one with a clearer mind to discuss. One thing I'd like to say though, range effect adjustments will not fix TTK by itself. However, it would go a long way towards improving the situation as well as adding another element to consider besides simply damage types when entering a gunfight. Either HP adjustments, module slot adjustments, module adjustments, or straight up weapon DPS adjustments will need to be made for TTK to be fully fixed, but this would be a great way to kick that off. MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 321	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:50:00 - [5] - Quote I think it's worth deepening the damage ratios against shields and armor to specific resistance profiles, which should be modifiable with modules. It could be beneficial for the user experience to be able to tank your shields specifically against lasers, for example. Vehicles have omni resistance modules, but I think that dilutes things too much, because it makes racial variety matter less. I would argue that the meta would shift more erratically and by itself if there were variables such as resistances to specific weapons to toy with. Say a group runs an EM tanked Explosive damage squad and wrecks face against the Amarr in FW. The next match/day, the Amarr have swapped to Thermal Lasers and are tanking against Explosive. The first group changes their setup again to try and match the Amarr. Someone might tank 60% against thermal and laugh in the face of plasma rifle users, then get sniped off the field through his kinetic damage hole. The cycle goes on... Bottom line: Adding resistances means you would see more variety in your engagements. It means you can create more specifically tuned fittings to the situation. This means your TTK is dependent on your fit and the opponent. It's quite possibly one of the most important EVE related damage mechanics. I think it's a shame DUST doesn't take advantage of it. My 0.02 ISK
abarkrishna warravens 111	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote Explosive rounds do have a max range given it is fairly large.( Something like 200 meters.) But other than that everything is spot on! If you do not believe me I would be more than happy to squad up with you and show you for myself as I often use a M/D. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Cosgar ParagonX 8426	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:05:00 - [7] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Explosive rounds do have a max range given it is fairly large.( Something like 200 meters.) But other than that everything is spot on! If you do not believe me I would be more than happy to squad up with you and show you for myself as I often use a M/D. I meant as far as damage falloff is concerned with stuff like artillery and mortars in mind. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1580	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:10:00 - [8] - Quote +1 and all that jazz Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cosgar ParagonX 8734	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:47:00 - [9] - Quote Sticks thread with a nanite injector I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 758	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:09:00 - [10] - Quote RANGE: 1. Railguns 2. Lasers 3. Projectiles 4. Blasters CQC: 1. Blasters 2. Projectiles 3. Lasers 4. Railguns HEAT CAPACITY: 1. Projectiles 2. Hybrids 3. Lasers CLIP SIZE: 1. Lasers 2. Hybrids 3. Projectiles ARMOR DAMAGE: 1. Projectiles 2. Hybrids 3. Lasers SHIELD DAMAGE: 1. Lasers 2. Hybrids 3. Projectiles Simple as that. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.

Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 252	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:09:00 - [11] - Quote One thing everybody keeps saying is "close range, medium range, long range" please how far are these ranges ?? In game it feels like these ranges are like: close range: 40 meters medium range: 50 meters close range 60 meters so ok when discussing ranges please specify what ranges we're talking about. Right now it feels like there's no real difference in these bloddy ranges !!! the duvolle can decimate anything or the CR can decimate anything ...
Cosgar ParagonX 8871	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:43:00 - [12] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: One thing everybody keeps saying is "close range, medium range, long range" please how far are these ranges ?? In game it feels like these ranges are like: close range: 40 meters medium range: 50 meters close range 60 meters so ok when discussing ranges please specify what ranges we're talking about. Right now it feels like there's no real difference in these bloddy ranges !!! the duvolle can decimate anything or the CR can decimate anything ... I'm at happy hour right now. If I don't pass out drunk, I'll try to throw some numbers up. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"


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