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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:49:00 -
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I've been looking over the patch notes, and basically everything looks great except for this
- Reduced AV grenade damage (Standard: 1050 to 725; Advanced: 1260 to 870; Prototype: 1470 to 1015).
- Reduced Swarm Launcher damage (330 to 220).
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m.
What made you decide to nerf these AV options, but not the Forge Gun, which has been king of AV since you took dumbfire off of swarm launchers?
Win ISK / Vids / O7
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Galthur
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:51:00 -
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And not buff the PC...
Level 2 [======== ] Pure Gallente - Preferred Gamemode: PVE
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1574
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:53:00 -
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Inb4 LOLTank Brigadier QQ
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:54:00 -
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CCP wrote:Well, we cant nerf two Caldari weapons in the same patch
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Forum Prison Escapee
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8319
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Inb4 LOLTank Brigadier QQ
The Proto forge gunner in me wants to troll all the vehicle users because my crystal ball was right
The pilot in me wants to beat the forge gunner in me for being such a prophetic douche bag
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:57:00 -
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Indirect attempt to make Heavies seem useful.
No.
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SteelDark Knight
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:58:00 -
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The newest Blog states:
Quote: Reduced the damage of all anti-vehicle weapons (bar the Plasma Cannon) to keep them in line with the new vehicle rebalancing effort
However, as was stated before there does not appear to be any changes to the Forge Gun as well. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8319
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:03:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:The newest Blog states: Quote: Reduced the damage of all anti-vehicle weapons (bar the Plasma Cannon) to keep them in line with the new vehicle rebalancing effort However, as was stated before there does not appear to be any changes to the Forge Gun as well.
We're just gonna have to track those stats ourselves then.
It would be pretty funny if CCP didn't consider the forge gun to be anti-vehicle
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1574
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Atiim wrote:Inb4 LOLTank Brigadier QQ The Proto forge gunner in me wants to troll all the vehicle users because my crystal ball was right The pilot in me wants to beat the forge gunner in me for being such a prophetic douche bag
My crystal ball was correct as well. And it's got even more goodies.
Tankers said that they don't want Forge Guns nerfed because they were harder to use than Swarm Launchers (which is complete BS)
The LTBG also told SL users to pick up a Forge Gun and "Get Good".
And now that everybody is gonna switch to Forge Guns, the LTBG is gonna cry about FGs as well.
And the same will happen to the PLC if it ever gets a buff.
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
1527
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:23:00 -
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Buff the PLC!
Down with homing AV!
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8320
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:26:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Buff the PLC!
Down with homing AV!
I concur.
I feel like I was just buffed to demi god status while all the little plebes got stomped on.
Now the question is, put all my vehicle points back into vehicles, or just max out God Guns?
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Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
191
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:51:00 -
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Atiim, you can't say swarm launchers take more skill than forge guns.... Grenades take more skill than swarms.
To be fair, you can say it, you'd just be wrong.
Also of note for terms of balance; you can fit swarms on any suit, unlike the FG which is restricted to basic heavy and sentinel. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:52:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Atiim, you can't day swarm launchers take more skill than forge guns.... Grenades take more skill than swarms.
And you can fit swarms on any suit, unlike the FG which is restricted to basic heavy and sentinel.
Doesn't change that proto forge guns are god guns....
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2125
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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:32:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Atiim, you can't say swarm launchers take more skill than forge guns.... Grenades take more skill than swarms.
To be fair, you can say it, you'd just be wrong.
Also of note for terms of balance; you can fit swarms on any suit, unlike the FG which is restricted to basic heavy and sentinel.
this is pretty much the case. now there is a value to forges on heavies and we have true av fits again, unlike before where every person could have a god swarm on any suit and baseball nukes on any suit for 15k isk without having to even drop their AR
"He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers."
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:59:00 -
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Hey, look on the bright side, half the team will be trying to kill one tank as he laughs off the missiles, while the other half gets slaughtered by the rest of the enemy team.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
373
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Posted - 2013.12.04 21:05:00 -
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Logibro said later in the comments (Page 7 iirc) that there is a change to the forge and he forgot to add them to the notes. He'll be updating when he has the correct numbers.
Edit: Here's his quote.
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
706
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Posted - 2013.12.04 21:53:00 -
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1583
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Posted - 2013.12.04 21:54:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Atiim, you can't say swarm launchers take more skill than forge guns.... Grenades take more skill than swarms.
To be fair, you can say it, you'd just be wrong.
Also of note for terms of balance; you can fit swarms on any suit, unlike the FG which is restricted to basic heavy and sentinel.
You also can't tell me that Forge Guns are harder to use than Swarm Laucnhers.
To be fair, you could say it; you'd just be wrong.
In terms of balance, the FG and SL are already balanced against eachother.
The Swarm Launcher are both equally effecive against HAVs.
However, Swarm Launcher is more effective against LAVs because of it's tracking ability and the fact that the LAV can out manuver most Forge Gun users.
Additionally, the Forge Gun is more effective against Dropships because of it's near instant travel time, and it's free fire gives you the ability to target it's weakspot, rock the dropship to and fro, and shoot the gunners out of the Dropship.
Did I also forget to mention that the Forge Gun can also kill infantry? Man, I wish I could have dumbfire back and kill infantry with my SL.
The Forge Gun and Swarm Launcher both have their advantages over each other. (Even though the FG has far more advantages), there is no reason to change thier relashionship to eachother.
Also, the fact that a FG can only be used by a heavy doesn't matter in terms of balance. There is no reason why any weapon should be 100% better than another one; especially when they are desinged for the same purpose.
Every weapon, class, suit, and role needs to have thier streghts and advantages. There is no good reason as to why anything in this game should be 100% better than anything. Regardless of what it's mounted or fitted on.
That doens't create balance at all, that just creates a FoTM. Which is exactly what I expect FGs and/or HAVs to be.
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
140
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:12:00 -
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Message from Godin:
1: It is, stop bitching.
2: Get on IRC more.
3: Scratch that, ***** more. Tears are yummy.  |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1583
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:22:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Message from Godin: 1: It is, stop bitching. 2: Get on IRC more. 3: Scratch that, ***** more. Tears are yummy.
They really are delicious.
It's a good thing I still have my lifetime supply from pilots.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8342
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:24:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Message from Godin: 1: It is, stop bitching. 2: Get on IRC more. 3: Scratch that, ***** more. Tears are yummy.
I was expressing a concern, unlike you I can do so in a reasonable way without being banned
IRC is troll pit, no thanks
And yes, they are, kind of like all the posts you post from random alts cuz you can't keep an account for more than a month
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
140
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Message from Godin: 1: It is, stop bitching. 2: Get on IRC more. 3: Scratch that, ***** more. Tears are yummy. They really are delicious. It's a good thing I still have my lifetime supply from pilots.
I have 2 lifetimes from one match I did back in Codex. 108/0 baby! |
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