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Ku Shala
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:03:00 -
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the repair tool should give damage to the user to encourge the use of rechargers and energizers.
if the repair tool user received 5-15 damage per second while repairing depending on the tool. this would prevent repairing from being unlimited and make tanking more balanced for real logi's.
Dual beam tools should also be able to lock onto the user when not targeting any other targets to perform the LOGI HUG to self medicate as well as have shield recharging variants ( just increase the targets recharge rate by a %).
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:12:00 -
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Meh, I'd rather have some sort of overheat or charge function for the repair tool instead of it damaging the user.
energizers and armor repairers are already something that most logistics need since they can't rely on someone else to heal them most of the time.
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Draco Cerberus
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:43:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:the repair tool should give damage to the user to encourge the use of rechargers and energizers.
if the repair tool user received 5-15 damage per second while repairing depending on the tool. this would prevent repairing from being unlimited and make tanking more balanced for real logi's.
Dual beam tools should also be able to lock onto the user when not targeting any other targets to perform the LOGI HUG to self medicate as well as have shield recharging variants ( just increase the targets recharge rate by a %).
...uhm no.
So I was wandering around behind a heavy the other day getting naded, shot and forged at wondering holy cow, why are we surviving this when I realized omg we won't. My rep tool only repairs my heavy and I am getting splashed with damage too. If I pull out my gun extra dps will maybe take down my opponents but then I he will die, I will get picked off and that's a 2 for 1 special. Eventually the splash damage will catch up, eventually someone will have the bright idea that a logi is a better target than their heavy and there is no reason I can think of to change the rep tool as you are suggesting sir.
Having the rep tool LOGI HUG the user is something that CCP has avoided since the iteration of the game that it did LOGI HUG the user. This was deemed as OP due to huge over abuse (fun times as an invincible LogiBro) and much butt hurt on the forums.
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Jammer Jalapeno
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:09:00 -
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Rep Hives...Place em out it turns into a self serve buffet.
Also good for holding down the fort with your battle buddy, that way you can both shoot and stay repped.
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843 nerfnut96
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:32:00 -
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Rep tools damage the user? WTF dude? Do people want to have logi's do their jobs or have them kill? Because you need to make up your minds.
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:32:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:Rep Hives...Place em out it turns into a self serve buffet.
Also good for holding down the fort with your battle buddy, that way you can both shoot and stay repped. I do like my rep hives, more so because I can use my gun too, but with the rep tool I can move with the squad and they can take some fire whil I rep them without needing to duck under cover.
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Jammer Jalapeno
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:37:00 -
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I do the same .... well depends on the situation.
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843-BANE
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:39:00 -
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Have you, or have you not, had a brain transplant from a horse?
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Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:21:00 -
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843 nerfnut96 wrote:Rep tools damage the user? WTF dude? Do people want to have logi's do their jobs or have them kill? Because you need to make up your minds. My thoughts exactly. |
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:32:00 -
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over heat would be better
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.12.05 05:03:00 -
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If we can get WP for repping vehicles and instillations, I'd rather have the overheat. But to be honest, this is like choosing between a kick in the groin or a punch in the throat. Scale the WP/m gains without a cooldown to prevent boosting instead of making it harder to be a logi.
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Faunher
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.05 06:18:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with a rep tool repping indefinitely. If you have a problem with reps, kill the logi. An indefinite rep creates a more tactical aspect to Dust, which is precisely what CCP wants in Dust.
Think of it this way: a logi is repairing a heavy. The heavy is getting massive kills from the prolonged life provided by the logi. The logi, in turn, is getting points from the reps, and is being offered protection from the increased firepower of the heavy. On the opposite side of the field are the enemies. The enemies can continue to fire upon the heavy, to no avail due to the logi's reps, or they can employ a level of strategy and tactics to eliminate the problem. Now two options have arised, one being bring in more firepower to top the heavy's damage threshold, and two being shoot down the logi and then pick off the un-repped heavy. In the end, having a logi resulted in increased the quality of the game experience for the logi-heavy pair, and created additional possibilities for the assailing team.
If you look at that scenario with your rep tool suggestion then nobody would be using a damned rep tool in the first place.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:32:00 -
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one of the worst ideas ive seen on the dust514 forums...you need a prize because thats quite an accomplishment |
SteelheadPep
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:46:00 -
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The rep tool already has a cool down if you rep to many, the tool still reps but you do not receive any points during the cool down. Most support logis continue to rep to help their sqaud /team. What if slayers had a cool down on how many kills they would get points for during a match? You are suggesting basically the same sort of nerf we already have.Are some mercs that upset that a support logi can score higher in a match, support logis try to help the team but it seems that a few have a real hair across their *** for us. Don't worry I will still rep you if we are in a match to help your KDR go higher. |
Ku Shala
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:23:00 -
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i am a support logi and we are not talking huge damge. everyone keeps saying logis can tank to much and are to good at killing so maybe some kind of negative evect to logis is in order.
your sheilds regenerate after 6 seconds or less for most logis at a rate of 20 hp or more per second so this would only be a temperary effect before your passive repper started to counter the negative effect.
so before you go running your mouth this is a suggestion open for discussion by a logi to make rechargers and energizers more valuable to a logi especially with the sheild extender staking nerf. so try and think before you open your mouth because I would much rather take some temperary damage than lose my light weapon.
6 seconds at 10 damage for a single beam rep tool would be 60 damage before your passive repper would take 3 seconds to recharge you. dont for get your passive recharger delay is the same weather you re taking damage or not.
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Ku Shala
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:53:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:Have you, or have you not, had a brain transplant from a horse? I wanted to be on your level so maybe....
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:52:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:843-BANE wrote:Have you, or have you not, had a brain transplant from a horse? I wanted to be on your level so maybe.... *yawn* your suggestion is stupid, your just mad you couldn't kill a guy being repped |
Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:37:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:i am a support logi and we are not talking huge damage. everyone keeps saying logis can tank to much and are to good at killing so maybe some kind of negative efect to logis is in order.
your sheilds regenerate after 6 seconds or less for most logis at a rate of 20 hp or more per second so this would only be a temperary effect before your passive repper started to counter the negative effect.
so before you go running your mouth this is a suggestion open for discussion by a logi to make rechargers and energizers more valuable to a logi especially with the sheild extender staking nerf. so try and think before you open your mouth because I would much rather take some temperary damage than lose my light weapon.
6 seconds at 10 damage for a single beam rep tool would be 60 damage before your passive repper would take 3 seconds to recharge you. dont for get your passive recharger delay is the same weather you re taking damage or not.
Maybe even tie in a different repair rate when your passive repper is working like a boast in rate or % of repair the active repair tool does. I wonder, does it hurt the team more or less if the guy giving reps is getting killed by the reps he is giving? Most likely it will hur a team more IMO because he is already damaged when the enemy starts shooting at him. In addition to this there is a point where IDGAF and am just going to rep my heavy because otherwise the point will be over run. So suicide by rep tool may become common. Please don't take this the wrong way, I think you have your head stuck in something rather unpleasant sir, please fix the way you are thinking.
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Ku Shala
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:00:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Ku Shala wrote:843-BANE wrote:Have you, or have you not, had a brain transplant from a horse? I wanted to be on your level so maybe.... *yawn* your suggestion is stupid, your just mad you couldn't kill a guy being repped
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SteelheadPep
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:48:00 -
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Hmmm so tell us wise sage, how is making the Rep tool cause damage to the logi going to solve the slayer logi issue. Slayer logis do not usually use Rep tools, they may carry a scanner, nanohives, etc.,they build that fitting for taking people out not for support.I am trying to have somewhat of a discussion with you about your idea that appears to have the smell of someone who does not have the support logis best interests in mind.Rep tools are for supporting the team, the merc benefits as well as the logi. Another point that you would know if you were a support logi is that the Rep tool does not receive any points for repping vehicles! Every support logi I have seen on the field willgo out of their way to help a tanker, dropship pilot, or LAV stay on the field, so I have the pitiful KDR to show that I 'm a support logi and yes I think I have earned the right to speak on this subject. |
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Ku Shala
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:56:00 -
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SteelheadPep wrote:Hmmm so tell us wise sage, how is making the Rep tool cause damage to the logi going to solve the slayer logi issue. Slayer logis do not usually use Rep tools, they may carry a scanner, nanohives, etc.,they build that fitting for taking people out not for support.I am trying to have somewhat of a discussion with you about your idea that appears to have the smell of someone who does not have the support logis best interests in mind.Rep tools are for supporting the team, the merc benefits as well as the logi. Another point that you would know if you were a support logi is that the Rep tool does not receive any points for repping vehicles! Every support logi I have seen on the field willgo out of their way to help a tanker, dropship pilot, or LAV stay on the field, so I have the pitiful KDR to show that I 'm a support logi and yes I think I have earned the right to speak on this subject. you had constructive comment I had no problem with your input.
I use core rep tool on an advcanced caldari logistics fit 90% of the time when im not spreding uplinks or removing installations with a milita forge fit. I carry a scanner a rep tool and a injecter.
there is no limit to the repair tool other then wp timeouts. I just feel it should not be unlimited to use even vehicle turrets supply will be limited soon.
I'm not hating on Logi's I am one. It was a suggestion, one that did not go over well. this was not a solution for slayer logis but more of a use limiter / putting more intrest in energizers and rechargers and make the rep tool have more stratigic use rather than spam repping ( esspecially once heath bars are always visable)
if 60 hp is going to kill you you shouldn't be using the rep tool you should be shooting your gun or retreating to cover
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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:06:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:SteelheadPep wrote:Hmmm so tell us wise sage, how is making the Rep tool cause damage to the logi going to solve the slayer logi issue. Slayer logis do not usually use Rep tools, they may carry a scanner, nanohives, etc.,they build that fitting for taking people out not for support.I am trying to have somewhat of a discussion with you about your idea that appears to have the smell of someone who does not have the support logis best interests in mind.Rep tools are for supporting the team, the merc benefits as well as the logi. Another point that you would know if you were a support logi is that the Rep tool does not receive any points for repping vehicles! Every support logi I have seen on the field willgo out of their way to help a tanker, dropship pilot, or LAV stay on the field, so I have the pitiful KDR to show that I 'm a support logi and yes I think I have earned the right to speak on this subject. you had constructive comment I had no problem with your input. I use core rep tool on an advcanced caldari logistics fit 90% of the time when im not spreding uplinks or removing installations with a milita forge fit. I carry a scanner a rep tool and a injecter. there is no limit to the repair tool other then wp timeouts. I just feel it should not be unlimited to use even vehicle turrets supply will be limited soon. I'm not hating on Logi's I am one. It was a suggestion, one that did not go over well. this was not a solution for slayer logis but more of a use limiter / putting more intrest in energizers and rechargers and make the rep tool have more stratigic use rather than spam repping ( esspecially once heath bars are always visable) if 60 hp is going to kill you you shouldn't be using the rep tool you should be shooting your gun or retreating to cover The problem with the shooting your gun then retreating is at 60HP left retreat is often the only recourse if one at all. Will the rep tool take you down to 60hp and leave you vulnerable if this is implemented? Certainly. I will LogiFarm all day long with a heavy to stand in front of me but if I can't survive the small splash of a grenade that my heavy can whilst under my care then we have a problem, its not like he/she has a nanite injector with them.
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Ku Shala
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:35:00 -
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once again the rep tool should only take 60 hp away before your shield recharger takes over. my point is not waiting until you are left with 60 hp. it is not using your rep tool when you are that vulnerable. so if you are almost dead don't rep. almost like it takes power from your shield to rep and that's the rep tools ammo.
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:27:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:once again the rep tool should only take 60 hp away before your shield recharger takes over. my point is not waiting until you are left with 60 hp. it is not using your rep tool when you are that vulnerable. so if you are almost dead don't rep. almost like it takes power from your shield to rep and that's the rep tools ammo. your idea is stupid and no one would use it then |
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