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DaNizzle4shizle
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
103
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:22:00 -
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so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp.
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
3119
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:37:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp.
LP is not taxed.
CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
733
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:38:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LP is not taxed.
if it was, then tables would be flipped.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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DaNizzle4shizle
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
103
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:39:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LP is not taxed.
so if LP is not taxed, then how will fw dedicated corps make isk?
not what you think
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:41:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:So if LP is not taxed, then how will fw dedicated corps make ISK?
When the player market is online you will be able to sell your Faction gear for ISK. Until then you will need to run instant battles or PC.
No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
404
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:41:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LP is not taxed. if it was, then tables would be flipped.
I'm certainly not down with taxing LP... HOWEVER, having a corp build up standing with a faction is a nifty idea. You could set it up so that the higher standing your corp the individuals get a slight bump of LP in FW matches. Hmmm. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
703
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:44:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LP is not taxed. if it was, then tables would be flipped. I'm certainly not down with taxing LP... HOWEVER, having a corp build up standing with a faction is a nifty idea. You could set it up so that the higher standing your corp the individuals get a slight bump of LP in FW matches. Hmmm.
In EvE corp standings are applied based on the standing of each member, this doesn't affect much apart from being able to actually join but the more you know I guess.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:46:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LP is not taxed. so if LP is not taxed, then how will fw dedicated corps make isk?
Per the devblog, you run pub matches.
Chivalry is not dead, but many who practiced it are.
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thedudeman12
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:48:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LP is not taxed. so if LP is not taxed, then how will fw dedicated corps make isk?
they want to make it balanced so they don't have isk in fw because if they put isk in fw then you would only play in fw
Watch out for that swarm ouch! There goes a tank
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DaNizzle4shizle
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
103
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:54:00 -
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this all seems very logical. we should talk about corp standings. how would that work?
not what you think
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
376
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:55:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
...having a corp build up standing with a faction is a nifty idea. You could set it up so that the higher standing your corp the individuals get a slight bump of LP in FW matches. Hmmm.
^This. Then the members of corps who are dedicated to one faction will get an extra bonus.... I like.
Point of note: what about EVE corps that already have FW standings?
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DaNizzle4shizle
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
103
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:00:00 -
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yeah. this would be great. maybe lvl 1 corp standing you get 25 more LP then the ones who dont have standings.
lvl 2=50
lvl 3=75
lvl 4=100
lvl 5=125 and so on to lvl 10
maybe they could lvl up the corp standing every 50 corp member wins
not what you think
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
124
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:03:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp.
LOL! How does one tax loyalty? How does one tax respect? How does one tax intelligence or wisdom? How silly is the OP?
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
124
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:06:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
...having a corp build up standing with a faction is a nifty idea. You could set it up so that the higher standing your corp the individuals get a slight bump of LP in FW matches. Hmmm.
^This. Then the members of corps who are dedicated to one faction will get an extra bonus.... I like. Point of note: what about EVE corps that already have FW standings?
Wow, while that is ok, I fear for the corps that got formed by people supporting opposing factions. As long as corp standings don't counter personal ones this is ok. But if corp standings affect personal ones negatively, then a lot of players are gonna get screwed...
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
407
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:07:00 -
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Incentivizing activity with positive effects is WAY more effective than putting constraints on activities you don't want.
If we want a deeper EVE link (particularly with no economic link to EVE yet) then FW is the way we are doing this...you want more guys hitting FW matches, gaining and spending LPs, which in turn drives them to pub matches to get ISK to fund FW.
Individuals get standings, then so should Corps and the trick is to make the standings mean something but not totally subsume the concept of the mercenary - fighting for the highest bidder OR ideals/faction of your choosing.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1046
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:08:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LOL! How does one tax loyalty? How does one tax respect? How does one tax intelligence or wisdom? How silly is the OP? LP are an alternate currency, not a concept or character trait.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
931
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:13:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:So if LP is not taxed, then how will fw dedicated corps make ISK? When the player market is online you will be able to sell your Faction gear for ISK. Until then you will need to run instant battles or PC.
Market activity isn't taxed by corp either. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
407
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:13:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
...having a corp build up standing with a faction is a nifty idea. You could set it up so that the higher standing your corp the individuals get a slight bump of LP in FW matches. Hmmm.
^This. Then the members of corps who are dedicated to one faction will get an extra bonus.... I like. Point of note: what about EVE corps that already have FW standings? Wow, while that is ok, I fear for the corps that got formed by people supporting opposing factions. As long as corp standings don't counter personal ones this is ok. But if corp standings affect personal ones negatively, then a lot of players are gonna get screwed...
I've thought of this since I'm actually one of those guys you are referring to. My toon is gallente, purely by accident during character creation, but I game identify with Caldari and run pure caldari set ups (Rail Rifle - Woot!!). OSG and Covert Intervention are serious Gallente FW players in Dust and EVE...we NEVER go with out OB support. This puts me in the postion of really not being able to take advantage of the LP store to the fullest.
My solution to that is to make contacts with Caldari and Amarr FW players and we work out trade agreements that we can fulfill when the player trading system drops in the next couple months. I'll probably not spend a lot of LPs till that happens and when it does I will work deals such as 50x Federation Specialist ARs from the Gallente store and trade them for 50x State Specialist RRs. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1221
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:14:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:so ccp. if we are getting no ISK gain from Factional Warfare, then how will tax work? will there be a LP tax so the whole corp has a standing with a certain faction? will this cause mercs to be ISK broke? if so, then why has the trade and sell market not come out yet? we could buy LP items and sell them to merc who do PUB matches. that could make a profit. i really don't know this could all work out, but i would be grateful if they came out with the trade and sell market. good luck ccp. LOL! How does one tax loyalty? How does one tax respect? How does one tax intelligence or wisdom? How silly is the OP?
Yeah, you can't tax loyalty, though where are corporate rewards for Faction Loyalty?
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
1300
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:21:00 -
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If we use EVE as an example...
The LP will not be taxed.
The LP can be combined with a small amount of ISK to purchase Faction Gear to sell at a high markup.
FW Corps, like all PvP focused corps, will have to have players that focus on ISK gathering. In EVE, miners and ratters, in DUST, pubbers... and hopefully PvEers
Shields as Weapons
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
710
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:36:00 -
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There is a current problem with having faction standings for a corp which is that if that corp in an alliance with an Eve corp, then the Eve side corp with take a standings hit as well.
Fine if the Eve corp is FW based, problematic if not. Travelling through enemy empire space to provide OB support in Molden Heath.
Faction standings for Dust corps is going to make it far more difficult for a Dust corp to participate in FW and PC. CCP want to expand the opportunities for Corps in Dust, not curtail them. When the link is more established and contracts for OB work can given and other similar mechanics in place, then maybe. But not for now.
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1819
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:57:00 -
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The straight truth of FW is that eventually, only the better portion of the community will/should find FW profitable in the long term. And even then, until there is a player traded market, they can't play FW exclusively and expect to make any isk.
You aren't entitled to whatever profit you feel is fair in this game. You have to earn your profits in the way the respective environment allows it. FW will be more competitive than public matches while PC will be more competitive than FW. |
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