While I like the whole Friendly fire thing; I dislike having to be forgiven for it.

The next scenario happens all the time:

I'm charging my plasma cannon minding my own business and the this Blueberry A**hole gets in front of me and dies because of his stupidity.

Now this blueberry can have the option to forgive me but of course being a blueberry he thinks he did nothing wrong so he doesn't forgive me. Now he has achieved being a D*ck and taking my fun.

Of course this is just a noob. But what happens when I get killed intentionally to get someone banned from factional contracts?


Let me put forward the next example.

I am total A**hole and I dislike "insert nemesis name here". I get in a militia suit (completely free) and get in front of him, 100% of the time he is firing, for him to kill me. I then proceed to not forgive him and get him banned till the next downtime and he loses standings towards the race he is fighting for.

Possible solution

This mechanic can be exploited too much. There should be a witness system where two people That where in the match can appeal the accusation. If the two witnesses defend the accused then he is not banned from factional but does lose standing on the particular race he is fighting for. This can only be done once per day and to refute no more than 1 kill per match so that if you kill a guy more than once or teamkilled more tha once per matched it is known that you are either not careful or a spy.

unfortunately that solution can be abused in the same manner by people that instead of get you banned, just kill your dropsuit cause your doing well. Snipers are gonna face hell soon due to peoples stupid mentality that if your not in combat your not useful.

<-- isnt a sniper but will damn well be defending them out in the remote sniping locations.

Well if you read correctly the idea states that only one kill can be forgiven per match by the propsed system. So it's not actually exploitable. An you also lose standing no matter if you are found not guilty.

Anyways the idea is just a brain storm. How do people think this can be countered through a game mechanic

empowering trolls... or you know forgiving honest mistakes

Oh my bad, I walked in front of a hmg heavy that was stupid.
Some dumbass shot me, oh well it wasn't on purpose.

hey look forgiveness!

because of it pubs will be a lot more balanced then they're only hurting themselves.

Most of these players just want to cap out the quickest way possible dude (whilst bored and waiting for content) which is in pub ambush - after that they'll probs run FW for LP

But don't think protostomping pubs will stop lol

Yeah, I get at least a couple of suicides per match with my MD due to BB's standing in front of me as I'm firing (I'm not counting my own stupid dumb-ass suicides that don't include blueberries!), these will now be combo packs - suicides AND team kills, I'll be doubly punished for the selfish or stupid act of a blueberry or team-mate. I'm realizing that I'm gonna have to put away my MD for FW until people change their playstyles.

empowering trolls... or you know forgiving honest mistakes

Oh my bad, I walked in front of a hmg heavy that was stupid.
Some dumbass shot me, oh well it wasn't on purpose.

hey look forgiveness!

AT least it's not one direct hit one kill.. My plasma cannon is just insta-gib

How do people think this can be countered through a game mechanic

I really don't think it has to. At the end of the day, Friendly Fire was turned on because it fundamentally changes the way people play and creates a dfferent type of combat scenario with much greater risk involved for all who participate. This is by design.

Faction Warfare at its core is all about the crazy chaotic bloodshed occurs when two groups collide and are incentivized by hatred and money. (Mostly money). In EVE - its absurdly dangerous, it takes place in lowsec, "purples" cannot be trusted (and frequently AWOX), and spying is rampant unless you choose to run close fleets. And even in closed fleet situations, there is no way to block random militia members from coming into your complex and affecting your game.

Of course, anyone that doesn't want to expose themselves to this level of risk is free to not participate in Faction Warfare. The same now holds true for Dust.

I've been working quite intimately with Faction Warfare reform for years now, so I'm definitely not trying to comfort anyone by saying that this behavior won't happen. In fact, I'm almost certain that some militias will start to use this deliberate intervention as an actual tactic to throw matches in order to advance Warzone control. This is also something that I see as normal and healthy. Trying to prevent thrown matches or meta-play is futile - its endemic to Faction Warfare, and if people didn't care enough to fight and win a dirty, bloody, cutthroat war, it wouldn't be the same.

Historically, however, there have been myriad ways for this kind of infiltration/AWOX/disruption gameplay to play out, and it almost never does on the scale that everyone worries about initially. Throughout the last year there were plenty of moments when everyone thought a mechanic would ruin people's attempts to fight head-on, and it ended up being a niche activity by a few people that were bored and looking to have fun.

All that to say, its really hard as someone with a lot of experience with this to get riled up at only the latest panic about how blueberries or plex farmers or noobs or whoever is going to ruin FW for everyone else... Sure, there will be some of this, but its part of the unique cocktail that FW exists as. Assuming that reward levels are sufficient*, talented players will find a way around these hurdles and adapt to win despite the risks.


*I'm not sure that they are, but this is a completely different discussion entirely.

How often are you guys AWOXed.....haven't even seen a AWOXing in my FW time....admittedly I only ever ran with PIE in the Chesterfield fleets, and no-one betrays that man.....no one.

Historically, however, there have been myriad ways for this kind of infiltration/AWOX/disruption gameplay to play out, and it almost never does on the scale that everyone worries about initially.

How often are you guys AWOXed.....haven't even seen a AWOXing in my FW time....admittedly I only ever ran with PIE in the Chesterfield fleets, and no-one betrays that man.....no one.

While I like the whole Friendly fire thing; I dislike having to be forgiven for it.

The next scenario happens all the time:

I'm charging my plasma cannon minding my own business and the this Blueberry A**hole gets in front of me and dies because of his stupidity.

Now this blueberry can have the option to forgive me but of course being a blueberry he thinks he did nothing wrong so he doesn't forgive me. Now he has achieved being a D*ck and taking my fun.

We've made a point of it to tell our corp members to do exactly this....just because of you. BPO and starter fit suits are mighty squishy.

I'm making a nova knife only Minmatar scout suit right now. Yay, I shall jump on all blue grenades!