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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:36:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use Mass Drivers, in case someone didn't know, no damage mods just skill and proficiency (for the pg skill more than anything really) anyway I've been seeing an increase of complainants about the Mass Driver lately and I ask why?
The Mass Drivers are hardly amazingly powerfull in the killing regard being a support weapon, and ya know....the nerffs, so the only problem I see here is damage mod stacking, but that's not what this thread is about.
What's your opinion on Mass Drivers?
Allow me to quote my other thread:
Quote:As I'm sure you know (but I'm going to say it anyway) the radius of any circle is measured from the center to the circumference (the outer edge). Anyone care to venture a guess at just the area a MD round's blast covers? The total area covered in a blast is affected drastically by even slight changes in the radius of the blast, allow me to show you by breakin it down for you using a normal proto MD and math. (Area of a circle = pi x radius^2):
Freedom Mass Driver Radius: 4.4m
Mass Driver Operations 5 Skill Bonus: 1.1m
Total Radius: 5.5m
Formula to find the area: Area = 3.14 x 5.5^2
Area of a Freedom MD blast: 78.5m
Distance across a MD blast: 11m
How about that Boundless?
Radius after Operation 5 Skill bonus: 8.25
Area of a Boundless Assault MD blast: 213.72m
Distance across the blast: 16.5m
Now I have no issue with Mass Drivers as they are when you first skill into them. Their damage is just right, though their splash range may be a bit much. The issue comes with damage mod stacking. As you know, the higher the DPR the greater the impact of damage mods. When able to spread all that damage over such a great area, it's just too much. The ony way to fix the weapon and still keep it viable would be to change the proficiency bonus and somehow prevent damage mod stacking, or reduce the splash radius and RoF and give it back the smoke cloud it used to produce in Chromosome along with it's old ability to severely throw off people's aim by large amounts.
Once again, I have no qualms with MD's as they are without the damage bonuses. They are fun and exciting to use and a wonderful support weapon. They do however need to be tweaked.
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:02:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: You can kill over 450% faster with an AR. Argument invalidated.
You can kill in a 70m+ larger area all at once with less than a quarter of the needed aiming ability with a MD. Arguement re-validated.
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:19:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: You can kill over 450% faster with an AR. Argument invalidated. You can kill in a 70m+ larger area all at once with less than a quarter of the needed aiming ability with a MD. Arguement re-validated. You actually need more aim with the Mass Driver due to it being a projectile and not a hitscan weapon, especially if you're not just using it in CQC.....
As a fan and user of mass drivers since early Chromosome, I mean no offense towards mass driver users by saying aiming isn't as important as with other weapons. With mass drivers a good feel for timing is definitely required, a proper sense for arcs as well. However actual fine aiming plays only a minor role when using a mass driver unless you are either using a breach (which appears to be better suited to AV than AI, not that it's AV qualities are very impressive) or are trying to use it as a CQC weapon instead of a support weapon (a very dangerous endeavor). The fact alone that you typically only need to hit in the general vicinity of your target to deal damage means that fine aiming isn't a necessity.
Once again, no offense intended to my mass driver Matari bretheren, it's just that aiming isn't a huge part of MD gunplay the same way that arcs and timing aren't a huge part of AR gunplay. And in that "sweet spot" of range and elevation (you know what I'm talking about) of about 10-20m out and about 5-10m up, you can literally take out arcs and timing as well. Not that you get in that sweet spot often but when you do find yourself in it, Hell is unleashed on your enemy lol.
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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