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Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:45:00 - [1] - Quote I believe they should be not be stackable, or the penalties for stacking them significantly increased.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1058	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:05:00 - [2] - Quote Why. Give us a reason to support your beliefs. As it stands I am fully in favor of keeping the status quo. Fun > Realism
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 217	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:20:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Why. Give us a reason to support your beliefs. As it stands I am fully in favor of keeping the status quo. As a cal assault with no lvls in damage mods and severaly speced into shields. I support the status quoe Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 118	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:42:00 - [4] - Quote Reposting my reposts but it's mostly to get awareness out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM Notice something horrifically wrong with this? It's the AR functioning as an automatic sniper rifle with ~50-60 dmg per bullet. The solution isn't 'more hitpoints' or 'take away damage mods', it's adding dispersion and kick to weapons that somehow no longer have any dispersion when aiming down sights or simply firing less than 30 shots. The lack of dispersion and kick means every shot hits and does damage, causing anyone to die in under 1 second of fire and allowing these weapons to perform well outside their intended ranges. Now people dying in one or two shots with a shotgun isn't a really big problem, nor is it a really big issue with an assault rifle at 20-30m, but when assault rifles are outdamaging lasers at the laser rifles optimal, that's where we have issues.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1062	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:55:00 - [5] - Quote I have presented a simple formula for implementing barrel climb here. Fun > Realism
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 540	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:55:00 - [6] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Reposting my reposts but it's mostly to get awareness out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM Notice something horrifically wrong with this? It's the AR functioning as an automatic sniper rifle with ~50-60 dmg per bullet. The solution isn't 'more hitpoints' or 'take away damage mods', it's adding dispersion and kick to weapons that somehow no longer have any dispersion when aiming down sights or simply firing less than 30 shots. The lack of dispersion and kick means every shot hits and does damage, causing anyone to die in under 1 second of fire and allowing these weapons to perform well outside their intended ranges. Now people dying in one or two shots with a shotgun isn't a really big problem, nor is it a really big issue with an assault rifle at 20-30m, but when assault rifles are outdamaging lasers at the laser rifles optimal, that's where we have issues. Exactly. Damage mods are overrated and merely an easy scapegoat for the low TTK. People have been stacking damage mods forever, it's not some crazy new FOTM or OP exploit that nobody ever thought of before and now it's breaking the game all of a sudden. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:56:00 - [7] - Quote The problem isn't only with AR"s my friend.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1040	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:58:00 - [8] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: The problem isn't only with AR"s my friend. The please elaborate on where you see the problem. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 119	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:04:00 - [9] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: The problem isn't only with AR"s my friend. We cant have an intelligent exchange of ideas if you fail to present fully formed thoughts, or well thought out ideas. If I have to guess what you want to say our dialogue goes nowhere.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2163	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:17:00 - [10] - Quote I've suggested previously that damage mods should have a drawback. Now, I'm one of those guys that fully support the idea of tiercide (not sure exactly how it should be implemented) but I applied it to damage mods and here's what I got. What if damage mods increased RoF. Let's say for simplicity's sake a 6% increase in rof leads to a 3% increase in damage per second. The drawback is however, that increased rof means faster ammunition consumption. As you go higher up into what we now call tiers, therefore, and gaining MORE rof, you're also consuming ammunition faster. Suddenly, a damage mod at complex level isn't better than a basic, but someone with much higher accuracy can use it more efficiently than a newbie. This is the beautiful nature of tiercide, which rewards veterans for their skill at the game, not their skill points. Complex ROF mods, as I'll call them for now, become a specialisation in themselves in that they require you to play differently to adjust to use faster ammunition consumption, and this will be something only some players use. I much prefer this over a flat upgrade to a stat with no drawbacks at all. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5519	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:20:00 - [11] - Quote The stacking penalties are ok in my opinion as they have worked just fine in Eve Online. Maybe if the damage mods had their bonus slightly adjusted. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:21:00 - [12] - Quote The problem originated from when all weapons received the passive 10% buff to make up for poor hit detection. When hit detection was "fixed", the passive buff was not removed. That was when the TTK was dramatically realized by all. The main problem I see with the damage mods, is that people are abusing the logistic class suits excess pg/cpu, by not using the equipment slots, but merely "tanking" the suits out, and running 3 dmg mods or more pending on the suit class. Another solution that's plausible would be to add yellow blueprint items into the logi class' item slots to force pg/cpu to be used as it was intended for ,and drawing away from the excess available for high/low slots. But free equipment would be unfair, and as would being forced to pay extra for the yellow blue printed items, if they were not the ones you would normally run on your logi suit. I have a maxed out AR skill tree, and proto damage mods. I could just as easily go into easy mode on my gallante proto logi suit, and keep my mouth shut. But I want more from this game than for it to be just be another feeble minded run and gun COD style game.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 120	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:50:00 - [13] - Quote Removing the 10% or screwing around with damage mods are all bandaid fixes, the problem lies in the dispersion and kick - there isn't any.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:59:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Reposting my reposts but it's mostly to get awareness out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM Notice something horrifically wrong with this? It's the AR functioning as an automatic sniper rifle with ~50-60 dmg per bullet. The solution isn't 'more hitpoints' or 'take away damage mods', it's adding dispersion and kick to weapons that somehow no longer have any dispersion when aiming down sights or simply firing less than 30 shots. The lack of dispersion and kick means every shot hits and does damage, causing anyone to die in under 1 second of fire and allowing these weapons to perform well outside their intended ranges. Now people dying in one or two shots with a shotgun isn't a really big problem, nor is it a really big issue with an assault rifle at 20-30m, but when assault rifles are outdamaging lasers at the laser rifles optimal, that's where we have issues. They have no dispersion because we were dealing with bad hit detection, and needed laser accuracy on assault rifles to reliably kill. Now that hit detection is fixed, we need to add dispersion to put the weapon where it is supposed to be.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.12.03 06:08:00 - [15] - Quote then I could just run a GEK with 3 proto damage mods to get the increased accuracy at a range due to the lower rate of fire.
Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 37	Posted - 2013.12.03 07:11:00 - [16] - Quote Remove the 10% dmgbuff on rifles (AR, SCR) and add kick/dispersion, after that we should adjust modules if needed. This i believe is the best way to balance things
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1063	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:28:00 - [17] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: The problem originated from when all weapons received the passive 10% buff to make up for poor hit detection. When hit detection was "fixed", the passive buff was not removed. That was when the TTK was dramatically realized by all. It is possible that no one told you this before but the 10% damage buff was actually not intended to deal with hit detection issues as you (and others have suggested). At its inception CCP clearly stated that the 10% across the board damage buff was being put in place because they removed the +2% damage per level that players got with the old weaponry skill. CCP stated that because this skill was essentialy required to be maxed out in order to be competitive failing to skill into it was unfairly penalizing players who were trying to skill creatively. The skill was, in essence, killing the diversity of sp spending. The buff was added across the board to make all weapons behave as if their users had this old skill maxed thus flattening the play field. It has always bugged me that people called this buff a reaction to hit detection when a dev clearly used the above logic to justify it. Please choose a different rational for the inception of your arguments. Fun > Realism
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:44:00 - [18] - Quote either way it goes, it is not necessary to leave it implemented.


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