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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.02 20:38:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:You obviously did not read anything since you replied in under 10 seconds to my post 1st coming up
You always have morons replying to your ideas in that way .. his BLACK Guard corp are notorious for protostomping in pubgames because without it they suck
Ignore him .. when matchmaking gets fixed and they are up against people with the same amount of SP as them they;ll be on the forums crying about how unfair it is that they are going up against people at their level and not new players they can kill easily again xD
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Karl Marx II
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Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.02 21:46:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:Vinsarrow wrote:You obviously did not read anything since you replied in under 10 seconds to my post 1st coming up You always have morons replying to your ideas in that way .. his BLACK Guard corp are notorious for protostomping in pubgames because without it they suck Ignore him .. when matchmaking gets fixed and they are up against people with the same amount of SP as them they;ll be on the forums crying about how unfair it is that they are going up against people at their level and not new players they can kill easily again xD I don't even have proto, lol.
I said your corp is notorious for protostomping in pubgames, I didn't specifically say you .. not everyone is Ancient Exiles or Outer.Heaven has full proto but they are both corps notorious for protostomping
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Karl Marx II
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Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:23:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:New players need to stop being lazy and get with the program, learn to squad up.. learn to join a ******* corp.. learn teamwork and communication. The day I join a match and DONT see a long list of unsquadded players is the day I consider something else is wrong and needs addressing with this "protostomp" issue.
Matchmaking, limiting players to MIL/STD gear only, battle academy, blah blah blah... all bandaids to a problem that lies on the shoulders of bad/lazy players.
1. The Tutorial Doesn't tell new players to join a squad or a Corp, the only way they learn about it is via other players
2. Calling new players bad/lazy is ignorant and extremely arrogant, it's extremely difficult to be a master at something when you first start doing it and it takes time and experience to improve.
3. Throwing new players against organised squads of the most experienced players in the game straight out of the academy is ridiculous as they are just cannon fodder to pad the stats of the vets and ends up just demoralising the new players who then in turn quit the game.
The true problems are an awful tutorial,poor matchmaking and no PVE
-A better tutorial would mean better educated new players who have a better understanding of the game mechanics and the gamemodes as well as some tried and tested strategies to use in certain gamemodes
-A better matchmaking system would balance teams and lead to closer more fun games .. whilst there may be issues doing this completely we currently have 2 veteran squads being put up against 16 randoms .. why can't the matchmaking split the 2 squads up 1 on each team ?
-PVE would give the more casual players somewhere to go and something to do if they didn't feel like doing PVP as well as giving solo players something else to do and would also present an opportunity for new players to improve various skills which would make them better in the PVP games
Protostomping or whatever you want to call it is a serious issue and needs to be fixed and if the 3 things i mentioned above were implemented I feel that a majority of the problem would be alleviated !!
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:01:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:New players need to stop being lazy and get with the program, learn to squad up.. learn to join a ******* corp.. learn teamwork and communication. The day I join a match and DONT see a long list of unsquadded players is the day I consider something else is wrong and needs addressing with this "protostomp" issue.
Matchmaking, limiting players to MIL/STD gear only, battle academy, blah blah blah... all bandaids to a problem that lies on the shoulders of bad/lazy players. 1. The Tutorial Doesn't tell new players to join a squad or a Corp, the only way they learn about it is via other players 2. Calling new players bad/lazy is ignorant and extremely arrogant, it's extremely difficult to be a master at something when you first start doing it and it takes time and experience to improve. 3. Throwing new players against organised squads of the most experienced players in the game straight out of the academy is ridiculous as they are just cannon fodder to pad the stats of the vets and ends up just demoralising the new players who then in turn quit the game. The true problems are an awful tutorial,poor matchmaking and no PVE -A better tutorial would mean better educated new players who have a better understanding of the game mechanics and the gamemodes as well as some tried and tested strategies to use in certain gamemodes -A better matchmaking system would balance teams and lead to closer more fun games .. whilst there may be issues doing this completely we currently have 2 veteran squads being put up against 16 randoms .. why can't the matchmaking split the 2 squads up 1 on each team ? -PVE would give the more casual players somewhere to go and something to do if they didn't feel like doing PVP as well as giving solo players something else to do and would also present an opportunity for new players to improve various skills which would make them better in the PVP games Protostomping or whatever you want to call it is a serious issue and needs to be fixed and if the 3 things i mentioned above were implemented I feel that a majority of the problem would be alleviated !! Have we been playing the same game? You expect CCP to fix this **** storm? Did you see the last time they tried to implement a matchmaking system "scotty hates you, scotty hates you, for days" lol. good luck with that. Next match you are in, everyone you see who isn't in a squad... send them a message that if they don't want to get protostomped to consider joining a squad or even better, an established corp. That will at least be an attempt to fix the problem which is probably very far down on the list of things to fix with what, the 3-4 people CCP has still working on this broken ass game. Or you can continue to post suggestions for the umteenthousandth time which will continue to fall on def ears.
Yes I do expect CCP to fix the problem, it is nothing to do with wishing me luck, it's CCP you need to wish luck to for it is them with the most to lose if this game goes down the pan .. all the playerbase can do is tell them where they are going wrong and if they continue to ignore us then we'll just end up leaving and going to play something else
I do what I can in game, I invite randoms into my squad if there's any space, I write 'Squad up' in team chat, I invite those players who do squad up into our corp channel ... there's only so much you can do as a player the only people who can actually make a true difference are CCP themselves
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:07:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Vinsarrow wrote:For the very last time people stop with your going on about proto stomping & your insane nonesense ways to fix it. This is the 1 easy, fast, & clear solution so support it if you want proto stomping to finally be fixed....
All CCP has to do is this, those with higher Lifetime SP wiil be facing only people with the same high range of Lifetime SP. Example a person with 15 million Lifetime SP will only be facing people with 17 million & 13 million Lifetime SP range. People with low lifetime SP will only be facing people with low Lifetime SP. Example a person has 5 million Lifetime SP then they'll only be facing people with the range of 7 million & 3 million Lifetime SP.
Veterans with Veterans - Newbies with Newbies
With the exception of squads & PC matches, then the system can match varying similiar people with similiar Lifetime SP range, in other words the more squads that are full the more the Lifetime SP will change to fit a general Lifetime SP range for all those playing.
Example Amarr side has 2 Squads, Squad A is full proto & they're lifetime SP is generally around 10 million, Squad B has 1 proto user, 3 moderate people running adavanced gear like GEK's lifetime SP ranging 5 - 2 million, with 2 newbies in it's squad - The Minmitar side has 1 full squad & 1 half full squad, Squad A is all moderate people running Advanced gear, Squad B (the half filled squad) has 1 proto & 2 newbies.
Scotty The AI will be encripted with mathmatical calculation gathering each & everyone's SP coming to a general Lifetime SP range of say 6 million+ (for the example above) be around the general range then Scotty will only allow "The randoms or Extra" people entering the match only to be within the priamaters of 6 million. There only people with 8 - 6 - 4 million Lifetime SP range can get in on that match.
This will mean a little longer match loading & if CCP brings back The War Room to matches besides Factional & PC then Scotty can do his calculations while "Waiting for deployment" & at The War Room.... Yeah, and what happens if you have 15 million SP and you suck? You will now permanently be put into matches with people far better than you and thrashed over and over due to factors outside your control. So basically, it would be an even more guaranteed means of what only happens most of the time right now.
You will be dying due to your opponents having more skill than you at the game and not an SP / gear advantage ... what exactly is wrong with that ? You are trying to say that because you suck at the game you should go up against players with 1/10th of your SP using militia gear so you can kill them ?
How exactly is sucking at the game being a factor outside of your control .. your the one playing the game if you suck then you have complete control over that factor .. at least you are fighting people at a similar level of SP and gear access .. imagine being in your position and sucking at the game but then being put up against a squad of people with 20m SP when you only have 600k SP .. what chance does the player in this scenario have ? To think your complaining about going up v people with the same SP as you .. LMAO most new players would love to be up against people with the same SP as them
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Karl Marx II
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Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:03:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
Yeah, and what happens if you have 15 million SP and you suck?
You will now permanently be put into matches with people far better than you and thrashed over and over due to factors outside your control.
So basically, it would be an even more guaranteed means of what only happens most of the time right now.
You will be dying due to your opponents having more skill than you at the game and not an SP / gear advantage ... what exactly is wrong with that ? You are trying to say that because you suck at the game you should go up against players with 1/10th of your SP using militia gear so you can kill them ? How exactly is sucking at the game being a factor outside of your control .. your the one playing the game if you suck then you have complete control over that factor .. at least you are fighting people at a similar level of SP and gear access .. imagine being in your position and sucking at the game but then being put up against a squad of people with 20m SP when you only have 600k SP .. what chance does the player in this scenario have ? To think your complaining about going up v people with the same SP as you .. LMAO most new players would love to be up against people with the same SP as them So it's an issue when people are constantly put up against players that are vastly superior to them, get obliterated in the process and throw in the towel in frustration unless they just so happen to have an unusually high amount of SP, regardless of how they got it in the first place, regardles of whether it's invested in skills that are actually useful to them and regardless of whether the player is actually able to use and sustain the equipment you expect him to wield on a daily basis from that point on, which leads to the exact same dynamics, experience and outcome? Is the glaring hypocrisy in this post actually intended or would you like to revisit above statement?
1. You are missing the essence of why players want the matchmaking system fixed, it isn't so players who are bad at the game can have an easier time all the time they play the game.. it is so new players aren't going up against the best and most experienced players at the game as soon as they leave the academy.
2.If you have 15m SP and get slaughtered by other people with 15m SP why should you get put against players who have less SP ? You're basically saying that because you suck you need to be put up against people in Militia Gear when your using Proto/ADV gear so you can get kills and do well ! That is exactly why people want the matchmaking system fixed in the first place lol .. WE WANT PLAYER SKILL AND TEAMWORK TO BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR how exactly is giving you an advantage over players with less SP beneficial ? It may benefit you but it doesn't benefit the people you get put up against !
3.If you have used your 15m SP sporadically and put it in a wide variety of skills then you will obviously be weaker than someone who specialised ther skills into 1 role .. although you will have a more diverse selection of fits .. but don;t forget that YOU are solely responsible for where you invested your SP and are therefore again responsible for having weaker fittings
4.As I have posted in an earlier comment .. it isn't just matchmaking that needs fixing, PVE needs adding as well therefore if you were losing alot in PVP and wanted to do something different to maybe earn ISK and SP or just improve your game then you could do PVE instead !
TL;DR Point 4 is more relevant as a solution to your issue with SP based matchmaking
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