"Where else am I going to use it? I'm not in PC"

"I use it to counter the other proto players"

"I earned the skills to use better gear so I will"

"I have plenty of ISK what else am I going to spend it on?"

I trained the skills primarily to make my cheaper suits more effective.

I almost feel bad, I don't want to be part of the problem. I never wear anything above advanced in pubs and try to give feedback to players who I noticeably see making poor choices. I just wish there was a better way to segregate new players, I don't think it is fair for either of us, I want them too stay, and they want a chance.

Nope, that IS feeding the problem and you are a part of it. Meaning by "downgrading" yourself you are only making it worse.

Just as in EVE if you skill up for it and risk the ISK for it, then it can and should provide that advantage. It is not "Pay to win" it is not unfair, it is a mechanic of how the game works and that's that.

Until CCP "fixes" the academy so that the newbs understand the kill or be killed cut-throat nature of the game and have to "earn" their way into the ranks of the regular DUST mercs, you will find that newbs are gonna get owned a lot. It's a higher learning curve than any other FPS out there. The challenge rating is pretty much maxed out from the get go. But then so is EVE Online when it comes to MMO's. So why make DUST easy too? If you want easy mode go play another game. If you want a serious challenge play DUST 514.

Nope, that IS feeding the problem and you are a part of it. Meaning by "downgrading" yourself you are only making it worse.

Just as in EVE if you skill up for it and risk the ISK for it, then it can and should provide that advantage. It is not "Pay to win" it is not unfair, it is a mechanic of how the game works and that's that.

Until CCP "fixes" the academy so that the newbs understand the kill or be killed cut-throat nature of the game and have to "earn" their way into the ranks of the regular DUST mercs, you will find that newbs are gonna get owned a lot. It's a higher learning curve than any other FPS out there. The challenge rating is pretty much maxed out from the get go. But then so is EVE Online when it comes to MMO's. So why make DUST easy too? If you want easy mode go play another game. If you want a serious challenge play DUST 514.

I see more proto stomping in public contacts rather than factional warfare. Last time we fought againsta full squad of Ancient Exiles but we still beat them because we had our own protos. I spent so much isk trying to bring a few down with me. Was a good game, all in all.

Nope, that IS feeding the problem and you are a part of it. Meaning by "downgrading" yourself you are only making it worse.

Just as in EVE if you skill up for it and risk the ISK for it, then it can and should provide that advantage. It is not "Pay to win" it is not unfair, it is a mechanic of how the game works and that's that.

Until CCP "fixes" the academy so that the newbs understand the kill or be killed cut-throat nature of the game and have to "earn" their way into the ranks of the regular DUST mercs, you will find that newbs are gonna get owned a lot. It's a higher learning curve than any other FPS out there. The challenge rating is pretty much maxed out from the get go. But then so is EVE Online when it comes to MMO's. So why make DUST easy too? If you want easy mode go play another game. If you want a serious challenge play DUST 514.

Lots of people are in it for the kills. They don't try to win, they try to get a higher KDR.

EVE pilots can hang out in high sec until they understand the game. They can return there without stomping new players to rebuild wallets or relax. There is always the possibility to go to high sec to stomp younger players but the only reward is if you enjoy griefing. EVE is brutal but has a much better and more gradual introduction to risk.

DUST throws new players into the meat grinder far too soon. There is no PVE to grow wallets and skill trees. Too many veterans stomp the public matches and kill morale before the rookies can become invested in the game. There needs to be a more clear progression for players with reduced rewards for staying behind. I think PVE can help immensely but removing any incentives for veterans to play in public matches can help too.

ROTFLMAO!

If you believe you are "safe" anywhere in EVE that is not docked in a station, then you are deluding yourself and haven't really played that game much. Yes there are relative levels of "safety" in some places, but it's still possible for people to kill you anywhere. There are no guarantees in EVE and similarly in DUST you can get owned by someone using maxed out skills and gear as a newb. It's not meant to be easy-mode, it's only got one mode - insanity. Once you realize that is the mode you are playing with, then you start ot refine your tactics and behavior to match accordingly and the true challenge (and fun) begins.

Why are there sooooo many Public Avengers in here that believe the more seasoned players have to babysit the noobs? That is complete BS. Didn't we all start out the same exact way? When I started playing at launch I was stomped, stomped, stomped, and stomped some more. I bitched and I complained. But I made it through all that ****. And now the game is very rewarding because I feel like I earned something. I worked through the stomps to become a better player. All the new noobs can do the same or GTFO.

Hell, I still get the occasional stomping when I run solo. But I've learned to change tactics and deal with it. Even through the stomps I still run positive and make isk. You've got to learn somehow. Hand holding is not going to help anyone.

ROTFLMAO!

If you believe you are "safe" anywhere in EVE that is not docked in a station, then you are deluding yourself and haven't really played that game much. Yes there are relative levels of "safety" in some places, but it's still possible for people to kill you anywhere. There are no guarantees in EVE and similarly in DUST you can get owned by someone using maxed out skills and gear as a newb. It's not meant to be easy-mode, it's only got one mode - insanity. Once you realize that is the mode you are playing with, then you start ot refine your tactics and behavior to match accordingly and the true challenge (and fun) begins.

I do agree that the academy sucks and needs fixing thought. For the purposes of increased player retention, having a longer academy where players have to "earn" their way out and becoming one of the regular DUST mercs means something and better prepares them for the "meat grinder" as you put it, would be of benefit to the game.

It's just sad, and it's nobodies fault but CCP. I think it's unfair for older players to say they are going through the same things the new players are, seeing as how we were on relatively equal levels in both skills and equipment.

Why are there sooooo many Public Avengers in here that believe the more seasoned players have to babysit the noobs? That is complete BS. Didn't we all start out the same exact way? When I started playing at launch I was stomped, stomped, stomped, and stomped some more. I bitched and I complained. But I made it through all that ****. And now the game is very rewarding because I feel like I earned something. I worked through the stomps to become a better player. All the new noobs can do the same or GTFO.

Hell, I still get the occasional stomping when I run solo. But I've learned to change tactics and deal with it. Even through the stomps I still run positive and make isk. You've got to learn somehow. Hand holding is not going to help anyone.

The good news is that people are still trying this game despite the hardship trudging through the pub stomping.

The bad news is that I've identified most of these people through the barrel of my sniper rifle.
Headshots are so much more fun when it is a OHK.

I almost feel bad, I don't want to be part of the problem. I never wear anything above advanced in pubs and try to give feedback to players who I noticeably see making poor choices. I just wish there was a better way to segregate new players, I don't think it is fair for either of us, I want them too stay, and they want a chance.

A lot of people make fair arguments for wearing proto in pubs.
"Where else am I going to use it? I'm not in PC"
"I use it to counter the other proto players"
"I earned the skills to use better gear so I will"
"I have plenty of ISK what else am I going to spend it on?"

As much as I hate dealing with proto stompers who am I to say they can't do what they want and they shouldn't?

Now I've always stated the gear has less to do with your effectiveness than personal skills. Proto is just as easy to take down as a starter fit when it runs across an open field and those of us who run BPOs know that 17-2 isn't difficult when using tactics and running in groups. So what's the point of this post? Let's all be clear that proto stomping, and more importantly pub stomping is a problem, anybody who runs in a squad can be guilty of it whether they acknowledge it or not, it just depends on who you're matched up with. At the same time it's not our job to hold back because we are stuck with new players and we want to stay competitive. Just don't overdo it.


I have over 23 mil SP and 300 mil ISK before anyone pulls the "blahh blahh blahh your a jealous newb needs to skill up" argument, and sniping is a recent hobby of mine, I'm taking a break from the AR.

As a "Public Avenger" I want to see the game succeed because I believe in the concept. If the game doesn't reach some magic number for profitability at some point development will stop and eventually the servers turned off. We need more players. Those players need to stick around and then enjoy the game enough to spend real money on it.

If you are selfish and only care about your own success and stomp on the new berries then a high percentage won't stick around long enough to become proficient enough to survive and contribute.

in the end its just a game...so quit QQing.

who cares if people protostomp/pubstomp I sure don't now.

in the end its just a game...so quit QQing.

who cares if people protostomp/pubstomp I sure don't now.