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Icy Tiger
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:28:00 -
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I realize that the game has evolved in terms of pacing, and I think this is a negative aspect.
Back in Replication, until the E3 build, the hit detection was off, and suits had a lot more HP than they do now. Heavy suits would easily reach 2-3k HP and this meant that the pacing was more strategic and focused on both skills and wits.
No longer did getting the jump on a person mean a free kill, you needed to actually try to fight someone, and 1 on 1's felt epic and longer.
So, now that technically the game's not as much of a mess as before, I think we need to head back into the direction that CCP originally intended.
A strategic, space MMOFPS.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1839
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:30:00 -
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Maybe not double, but if they did do this it should be no more than +50% IMO.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1514
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:34:00 -
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I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
This would be a serious problem for niche weapons such as The Laser Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Mass Driver. These weapons are balanced along the margins of HP, meaning if we were to increase total HP, we would effectively make these weapons into waterguns.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle.
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Cody Sietz
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
1662
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote: I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
This would be a serious problem for niche weapons such as The Laser Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Mass Driver. These weapons are balanced along the margins of HP, meaning if we were to increase total HP, we would effectively make these weapons into waterguns.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle.
Also the shotgun.
Not to mention, there would be no point in using anything but proto.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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straya fox
Sad Panda Solutions
102
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote: I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
This would be a serious problem for niche weapons such as The Laser Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Mass Driver. These weapons are balanced along the margins of HP, meaning if we were to increase total HP, we would effectively make these weapons into waterguns.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle.
I don't think there is anything wrong with semi-automatic AR's i.e the TAC, its been nerfed already. |
Nova Skyy
Days of Ruin
1
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:40:00 -
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I'm on the side of more hitpoints. This is a squad game. All 1 on 1 should be a fairly hard battle... no single kill shots. However, the glory and fun come when you are in a squad... perhaps calling out primary and secondary targets.
I think a doubling of hitpoints is a great idea. if you are worried that your weapon won't have as much of an effect anymore, well... that's the point, tbh.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
470
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:01:00 -
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I think the assault rifle type weapons probably just need to be toned down a bit if every body's looking for a TTK increase, this would be the easiest way to go for CCP. Bu if it is done it needs to be done very very very very delicately, in steps. You hear that CCP back away from the nerf hammer. Anh, I see you eyeballin' that thing, I mean it don't you even think about it.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1076
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:03:00 -
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That just might slightly hide the real issues a little bit.
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shady merc
RisingSuns
Public Disorder.
32
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:16:00 -
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I understand what you are trying to do however increasing hitpoints across the board requires that you rebalance every. Thing.
Niche weapons
Alpha damage weapons
Ammo reserves per weapon
Hitpoint module bonuses
Hit point regen amount
Or we could start by slightly lower the damage of automatic weapons and see what happens
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8163
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:18:00 -
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Lower the cap to strafe speed too.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Sgt Buttscratch
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1062
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:19:00 -
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It's not the HP, its the weapon damage, and how many bullets are fired accurately, bullet spread is to compact at range, AR, SCR do to much damage.
Doubling the current HP, will do what the last mini HP buff did, hurt weapons that require accuracy to work, currently snipers are not snipers, they are long range jack russels. A headshot from a sniper should be a feared moment in a game, right now I find myself just saying "******* snipers!!" hen continuing what i was doing.
The AR needs its damage brought down a bit, and bullet spread worse over range, SCR needs to do less to armor, currently theres not a noticable different when shooting shield or armor, SMG range needs bringing down, I have killed people at 60m with my SMG. The AR and SMG need more kick also, they are a joke atm.
Grenades also need a big time nerf, both in performance and ability to spam.
I think 2 nades per suit, refil at supply depot only, People mainline them over guns these days. As for damage, I think the shield should be able to defuse nade damage, I have had a caldari suit with over 700ehp 1 hit by a milita due to the bullshit maths they made them with.
I would like to see grenades do -50% damage to shields, whats the point in flux if locus grenades just do the same to shield tanked players, aswell as hurt armor tanked players?
The game is a mess, kinda hoping 1.7 might clear some stuff up, not gunna happen tho, Wrong things get nerfed nearly everytime, CCP will never balance something by balancing other items to par.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
94
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:21:00 -
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Nova Skyy wrote:I'm on the side of more hitpoints. This is a squad game. All 1 on 1 should be a fairly hard battle... no single kill shots. However, the glory and fun come when you are in a squad... perhaps calling out primary and secondary targets.
I think a doubling of hitpoints is a great idea. if you are worried that your weapon won't have as much of an effect anymore, well... that's the point, tbh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM
Notice something horrifically wrong with this? It's the AR functioning as an automatic sniper rifle with ~50-60 dmg per bullet.
The solution isn't 'more hitpoints', it's adding dispersion and kick to weapons that somehow no longer have *any* dispersion when aiming down sights or simply firing less than 30 shots. The lack of dispersion and kick means *every shot hits and does damage*, causing *anyone* to die in under 1 second of fire and allowing these weapons to perform well outside their intended ranges. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1843
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:23:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:I would like to see grenades do -50% damage to shields, whats the point in flux if locus grenades just do the same to shield tanked players, aswell as hurt armor tanked players?
They have a huge range and take out equipment easily.
But Locus Grenades do need to be looked at.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1064
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote: I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
This would be a serious problem for niche weapons such as The Laser Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Mass Driver. These weapons are balanced along the margins of HP, meaning if we were to increase total HP, we would effectively make these weapons into waterguns.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle.
I agree, that is why the Thale should be proto weapon and not officers. Also give the LR and MD a 10% buff and adjust from there.
F* the Snowflake
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1065
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Lower the cap to strafe speed too.
Scouts need a speed buff and the ability to strafe faster than just having everyone on the same line.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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nixnova
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
5
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:39:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:I realize that the game has evolved in terms of pacing, and I think this is a negative aspect.
Back in Replication, until the E3 build, the hit detection was off, and suits had a lot more HP than they do now. Heavy suits would easily reach 2-3k HP and this meant that the pacing was more strategic and focused on both skills and wits.
No longer did getting the jump on a person mean a free kill, you needed to actually try to fight someone, and 1 on 1's felt epic and longer.
So, now that technically the game's not as much of a mess as before, I think we need to head back into the direction that CCP originally intended.
A strategic, space MMOFPS.
+1 buddy |
Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
187
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:39:00 -
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That's a decent idea, but some of these other mercs are right about the niche weapons. Their utility is offset by clipsize, reload, and other things. I have been in plenty of reload dances, so I would say most clips would need to be increased by the same percentage as the hitpoints.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1846
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:42:00 -
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nixnova wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:I realize that the game has evolved in terms of pacing, and I think this is a negative aspect.
Back in Replication, until the E3 build, the hit detection was off, and suits had a lot more HP than they do now. Heavy suits would easily reach 2-3k HP and this meant that the pacing was more strategic and focused on both skills and wits.
No longer did getting the jump on a person mean a free kill, you needed to actually try to fight someone, and 1 on 1's felt epic and longer.
So, now that technically the game's not as much of a mess as before, I think we need to head back into the direction that CCP originally intended.
A strategic, space MMOFPS.
+1 buddy
omg it's nixnova :O
Remember that match against me and my squad with the horrid lag? xD we did that by putting Uplinks EVERYWHERE :D I was lagging worse than a PC match >:D
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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nixnova
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
5
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:07:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:nixnova wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:I realize that the game has evolved in terms of pacing, and I think this is a negative aspect.
Back in Replication, until the E3 build, the hit detection was off, and suits had a lot more HP than they do now. Heavy suits would easily reach 2-3k HP and this meant that the pacing was more strategic and focused on both skills and wits.
No longer did getting the jump on a person mean a free kill, you needed to actually try to fight someone, and 1 on 1's felt epic and longer.
So, now that technically the game's not as much of a mess as before, I think we need to head back into the direction that CCP originally intended.
A strategic, space MMOFPS.
+1 buddy omg it's nixnova :O Remember that match against me and my squad with the horrid lag? xD we did that by putting Uplinks EVERYWHERE :D I was lagging worse than a PC match >:D
yea i do. yea it was very laggy. they need to fix that quick i get sick playing this game at 10 fps. unplayable. i love you CCP but thats the only thing that turns me off form this game. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
370
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:46:00 -
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Please don't.... |
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2500
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:20:00 -
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The ole' shotgun's already having a tough time keeping up with MedFrame HP levels.
It's fire rate is too low to actualize role advantage; we're firing at a a measly 1 blast / second.
Double HP levels and you'll have a useless weapon on your hands.
Not that CCP gives a d*mn. If it isn't a rifle, it isn't a factor.
Starting to wonder why I give a d*mn. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:34:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Atiim wrote: I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle. I agree, that is why the Thale should be proto weapon and not officers.
NO NO NO NO NO ... for that Thale suggestion and I'm a sniper . Sniping should be a skill and if the Thale was a prototype weapon they would DOMINATE every field in every battle . That's NOT skill .
NOT AT ALL !!! BAD SUGGESTION .
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1157
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote: I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
This would be a serious problem for niche weapons such as The Laser Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Mass Driver. These weapons are balanced along the margins of HP, meaning if we were to increase total HP, we would effectively make these weapons into waterguns.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle.
This.
For Laser Rifle users an HP doubling means overheat anytime you try to kill anyone.
And I don't want to think about Gallente armor tankers...
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1157
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:36:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:calvin b wrote:Atiim wrote: I see where you are getting at, but trust me when I say that increasing HP is the worst thing you could possibly do.
The real problem however, lies within semi-automatic weapons such as the Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle. I agree, that is why the Thale should be proto weapon and not officers. NO NO NO NO NO ... for that Thale suggestion and I'm a sniper . Sniping should be a skill and if the Thale was a prototype weapon they would DOMINATE every field in every battle . That's NOT skill . NOT AT ALL !!! BAD SUGGESTION .
Finally....a real sniper, props to you, sir.
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