Nah IWS basically had as currently has done more for this community than all of smart arse forum trolls you are likely to list as CPM reps.

Um.. how is he being a douche in that thread again?

*they probably think CPM should be "YES" men to the players*


CPM should be "YES" man to neither players or CCP. Why if I was in the jedi council...

*anakin skywalker all over again...*

shut up. I'll "NO" man to everything. what's that? NO. You players feel what? NO. Hey.. CCP here's my 2 cent for that idea... NO.

IWS gets harrassed by Takahiro every thread, because Takahiro has skilled into useless heavy and is mad and is a Minmatar spie.

With as much work IWS does for this community he should at the very least be considered for a community manager position. You're only butthurt because he doesn't agree with you.

Please tell me why IWS is not allowed to express his opinions. He may be a CPM but that does not exclude him from expressing his opinion as a player. Also he may be a troll sometimes but CCP are trolls too. Even some of the CSM are trolls.

The only people I see IWS insulting are people acting like d*cks; trolling, flaming, raging, etc. I have never seen him insult someone who was posting a well articulated opinion in a calm, reasonable manner, even when he has obviously disagreed with that opinion.

I love anti-CPM threads; it's like people hating on the current president/prime-minister - it's pointless because they're there for their full term and you won't be getting rid of them until that time is up (with the very rare occasions of massive misconduct exceptions). You're stuck with these guys until CCP decides otherwise, so quit b*tching about them. If and when there are elections, then is the time to voice your displeasure about them. Now, you are just wasting forum space on all this nonsense.

Possibly. Or just that he has little tolerance for whiners. Regardless, I've never seen him insult someone that I didn't think deserved it.

But back to the specific point I was responding to though....
He doesn't insult people because they have different opinions to him; he insults people who are acting like d*cks.

You sad bro?

Now this thread is about redesigning the skill tree. Thank you Takahiro for enlightening our ignorance.

[quote=Takahiro Kashuken]

Keep changing it to suit your needs but its a SINK

Vehicle tree in 1.7 is a SINK - fact

I wouldnt have mind it being a SINK if it was changed at least 6months ago so i knew how much SP i needed excatly to flesh out the vehicle tree because if i knew 6months ago that the tree would be such a SP SINK i wouldnt have gone into infantry at all or i could have gone all into infantry and had 4 diff proto suits with 4 proto weapons and all core skills by now

You can delete all this text again but you cant delete the fact that the SP needed for the vehicle tree has been increased by a factor of 3

Not including missing racial vehicles/turrets/mods/skills/pilot suits/more mods/more skills

I did a quick count, i can SINK into the 1.7 vehicle tree about 60mil SP roughly and thats nearly everything at level 5, including all missing things that could be 100mil of SP which is about 3 years worth at least, using boosters for every week, active and passive

So how about you focus on the fact that the vehicle tree has been turned into more of a SINK with 3times the SP needed

I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue.

For
Players are bored with their current fits.

Some have made mistakes

Players are feeling left out because they may have made the mistake of speccing into infantry when vehicles was their real calling.

Against
Free Candy Syndrome - the idea of a free respec at the time of anything gets nerfed, this behavior was well established back in beta and there are plenty of people who are very hard at letting go.

Future Prospects - In combination with FCS this will hurt any potential to monetize the and automate the system if it ever gets developed on because it was something offered regularly for free and now has to be paid for. Buy 1 get 2 free is now buy 1 get one 1 free type of backlash.

Notation
See how 0 of these points have to do with the horrible tree design?

Takahiro came into the thread talking about how the tree was a sink, in a thread that has nothing to do with the poorly designed tree and to be honest I didn't want to hear it again in a thread that tried to reasonably explain the need for a respec that made it somewhat agreeable to fight for that side.

Sink is an entirely separate topic. Period. I am extraordinary annoyed at the tree myself (and I have a really good idea what the future tree looks like and I find it revolting unfortunately I cannot share details because of NDA but I am doing my best to chop that thing down when possible) but the idiot won't let me be on his side ever, so there is no need to entertain him ever. So best to let him burn out of the way so more level headed folks can come forward when it comes time to argue the tree design.

Let's also mention the debate over the 'sink' from Takahiro is about 4 months old and has destroyed about 6 threads so far.

Oh? be careful who you try to defend then. He's been at this for a while and as others mentioned here they already know about it. I suspect he may had started his crusade before uprising 1.0 but didn't run into me about 4 months ago. Also I do class Tak into the 'hard to deal with' category, the sort of folks if you give them a wide variety of possible solutions to the issue they reject everything because they seemingly don't know what they want either.

The type of folk that don't want the cake to eat it too. They're more in love with the idea of a cake that doesn't exist nor will ever exist and eating that one. The sort of people that well ultimately the CPM would be worst to dealing with because we're not game designers.

Just think of us as the little devil or little angle on the shoulders of the developers. The devs are more than capable of ignoring both of those little guys.

<3

Ideas are meant to be shattered into millions of pieces so that the best shards of them can be picked up and glued into something better.

Also Ideas don't have feelings, emotion, agendas lesser than the truths, and the truly greatest of ideas requires no mortal guardians. Maybe a custodian but certainly no metaphorical shield.

Also threat?

More like word of caution.

Also Tebu I don't think poorly of you, you have yet to give reason for so. Taki has for months now and shows little to no sign of change.

My time is rather limited as well as my ability to find the best of ideas though.

Loudest of voices are often wrong and its hard to find the best of voices buried underneath all of the turmoil above.

I do ignore voices at times because they haven't changed from the exact first time they posted on the subject thus are nothing more than a broken record to me. Sometimes I do need reminders but when someone puts that much passion behind something its hard to forget. Yelling louder and over and over again doesn't help your cause further on my front. New views interest me the most.

There are people whom I did have rather heated arguments with before, but when asked by CCP I give them the truth, players are not happy and CCP should strive to a more preferable solution. I certainly do not stomp out voices when it comes time to talk about it.