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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:18:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Don't underestimate them however. I'm sure the right amount of money could easily convince nearly any mercenaries backers to sell your clone contract. Then the next time you die, you might find yourself in your very last clone, restrained in your awakening chamber, with the grinning Empyrean savoring the moment as he puts one final bullet in your head.
Possible. Isn't it funny how no one's ever quite explained just how this works?
I wonder whether they really, fully control it.
Hm. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:58:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Unfortunately, our implants originally came from Sleeper technology, not Jovian. Also, as far as we know, the Jove are all dead,
Again, I keep hearing this theory, but no verification.
It makes sense. The Sleepers are noted for their neuro-tech.
But verified by any official source? Not that I have seen.
((CCP has done a miserable job of clarifying what we do and do not know, in character, about this.)) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:32:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:((Yes, when Roden confirmed the existence of the clone mercenaries, he did mention that the original designs for the implant were based on technology salaved from beyond the wormholes. Knowledge that the original was sleeper tech can be considered in-character knowledge. Link ))
((Then cite it IC. Enough of this OOC talk. I have no problem with being proved wrong in character.)) |
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Posted - 2013.12.03 06:30:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Indeed, Yee Hun, Roden confirmed the sleeper origins of the technology when he revealed our existence, and the problems inherent with it.
Did he? ... Hm.
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Ah. So he did. Well, that's ... fascinating, actually, if not quite surprising.
Also, that will teach me to ignore what other people's president's say because they're other people's presidents.
Quote:The Jove themselves admitted how serious their disease was, and that they were nowhere near developing a cure.
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All of this is punctuated by the fact that Jovian space is overrun by the Sansha, a good indicator that the Jove have completely died off, or are at least in such a weak state that they can not possibly defend themselves, or their technology, against them.
To the former: the Jove have been suffering from that disease for thousands of years, at least. It seems a little overly convenient for them to only be dying off just now.
To the latter: is Sansha presence in Jove space known or only strongly suspected? Has anyone actually gotten a peek at Kuvakei's activities there?
(Also, if he IS over there, I'm not sure that's evidence that Kuvakei has access to the resources and technologies of the Jove. The reverse would explain a lot about Kuvakei's tactics-- you know, the bits that have his followers insisting desperately that he's secretly outwitting us all in ways we cannot fathom by feeding coordinated teams of capsuleers a steady stream of highly-profitable resources neatly packaged as hostile warships?) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.12.04 06:26:00 -
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Dagger-Two:
I'm familiar with the image-- familiar enough to recall the ambiguity associated with it. While that is indeed the identified station, it remains unclear whether the Sansha have taken possession of it, or, if so, whether it is the only one with which they have done so-- or whether they were able to keep it if they took it.
Further, the actions of "The Master" and his forces have been ... odd. Notably, there's the obvious question of whether he might have been subjected to his own technologies. I'd be the first to concede that this is wishful thinking if he hadn't apparently embarked on a program of strengthening the very beings he supposedly wishes to destroy. As it is, it doesn't seem as though the Jove could have provided the capsuleers a better source of fleet-coordination training and war material if they tried-- which raises the possibility that this is all very much according to plan. Either Kuvakei is playing some sort of long game (entirely possible, but if so it's too deep for me), or something else is up.
Then there's the SoCT. Very bluntly, they're awfully generous with their resources for an entity whose sponsors have passed away and had their holdings looted by a hostile force. They apparently just happened to have a couple hundred thousand Jovian battlecruisers in their back pockets, ready to give away.
Finally, considering that the Jove are famed for their intelligence network, I'm inclined to think that the main reason for the ambiguity surrounding their supposed demise is that they benefit from the ambiguity. For one thing, it's apt to discourage people from taking concerns like mine too seriously. I can point out that neither empire policy vis-a-vis the capsuleers nor clone soldiers makes any sense at all unless they're actively trying to establish a new feudal ruling class, that the Nation's invasion strategy is simultaneously threatening and nonsensical, feeding the capsuleers while threatening everybody else, and that the only group around (outside of ourselves) with any interest in seeing these things happen is probably the Jove ...
... and I promptly get told (with some circumstantial evidence but certainly no solid proof) that the Jove are dead.
Very blasted convenient for them if they're not, true? |
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