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Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Galm Fae wrote:

Dagger-Two wrote:

While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon.

Galm Fae wrote:

Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best.

You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things.

Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer.

Way to belittle an entire argument by unfairly attacking one point. No really, way to go.

If you read Templar or any of the DUST 514 chronicles you'll find support on my side, which you seem to be directly ignoring. Additionally, hybrid technology like plasma weaponry has existed in the past, but nothing like what we have now. Your standard assault rifle spits out plasma casings at a super-heated level that would melt the face of anyone who isn't protected behind a dropsuit (and subsequently anyone who doesn't have the bone structure to support one.) This obviously couldn't be adapted at a civilian level or even with standard infantry. Between the recoil, heat, and sheer power behind it I think I can maintain that your basic person can't handle handheld plasma weaponry.

Heck, they probably couldn't even handle a rail rifle. Gauss rifles fire low level electromagnetic projectiles, but thats way different then a full fledged railgun. Have you ever seen a railgun shoot of at all? The sure heat generated from firing creates arcs of plasma during charging and after firing.

And since you seem to feel like bringing up the mass driver somehow nulls my entire argument, I think you're forgetting things like minimum safe distance which appears to be entirely absent on the mass driver. Even that weapon, something that could hypothetically be operated by standard infantry, has been modified to suit reckless immortal tactics.

Actually, you can see that Galm is right just by watching the Video DevBlogs CCP put out. They use the Assault Rifle as an example, but the weapons we use in Dust did not exist before immortal soldier programs.

Notice that neither of us are saying that weapons similar to these did not exist. What we use in Dust are significantly up-scaled weapons designed to be a threat to the advanced gear that we use, and usable only by soldiers with bodies designed like our's and wearing similar suits themselves.

So yes, there were Assault Rifles before the one in Dust, but they were designed to be safer to use because the people using them had to live through using them and have a long lifespan.

Our bodies have a 5-year max lifespan (confirmed in Templar One), and as such are designed to be disposable. We can use far more hazardous and powerful weapons with no repercussions.

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Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 506	Posted - 2013.11.30 17:08:00 - [1] - Quote Use your imagination, tell a story on why we would only see Gallentean's AR's and Scrambler's, before! Also use your imagination to speculate on why there is just one heavy class (Amarr) . A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 658	Posted - 2013.11.30 17:11:00 - [2] - Quote They haven't researched the tech properly until now. And it's likely that there has been baseliner versions of these weapons for a long time, but only now have been converted into the more powerful DUST weapons. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 24/11/13
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 148	Posted - 2013.11.30 19:31:00 - [3] - Quote Amarr tech was first on the scene because it was the first with access to immortal implants. This gave them more time to research and mature this technology. Gallente reseach facilities are known for their near endless R&D departments, making it seemingly obvious why they were so quick to develop arms for clone tech within the Federation. Minmatar have been forced to improvise all clone technology from what they have. While this makes for a quick inital boost in productivity, eventually you will run out of things to ducktap together or your products will begin to seem inadequate next to more advanced technologies. While developing a combat rifle for use by immortals my not seem like an issue, bare in mind that you'd need to develope and mass produce: A) A handheld rifle with a very large calibre round to pierce through a dropsuit. or B) An entirely new round size that can balance between practicality and effectiveness. Neither is an easy option. If you need proof, just look at all the issues the US Army had when swapping to the M16 or (God help us) the XM8 program. Caldari weaponry on the other hand is state of the art tech. While Gauss rifles have existed for a while now, immortals have just now proven practical enough for the megacorperations to finally invest in their weapons trade. (The Caldari have always been skeptical of unproven business strategies, they would require some convincing to pour more money and time into the mercenary pot.) Only recently have immortals given a company the option to develope a full automatic handheld rail rifle. ... At least... This is all the reasons I can think of right now without fact checking any of this. Just my theory. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1983	Posted - 2013.11.30 23:16:00 - [4] - Quote glam covered it, the guns we have been using up till now where what the empires had on hand and could quickly develop. i like to think concord got involved at some stage and now approves weapons for are use to ensure nothing too stupid gets into the battlefield. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 153	Posted - 2013.12.01 19:34:00 - [5] - Quote Because CCP hadn't modeled them yet :P No, seriously. there is no reason to believe these weapons or weapons very similar to them hadn't already existed. I think someone in CCP went overboard proposing the idea that our weapons are some super powerful things only we can wield. Some, yeah, like the DCMA-1 (the forge gun). No normal person could hold that, but then again a merc outside of a heavy dropsuit can't use it either. But plasma rifles, rail-based sniper rifles, the 'mass driver', all of these would easily be wielded by any ordinary person, and indeed in the lore you can find examples that they are. Dropsuit armour is not some super special awesome nigh-invulnerable thing. It is not impervious to standard weaponry, and it does not make clone soldiers Master Chief's like so many people like to think. It was around before clone soldiers even existed, and the only think truly special about them is the integrated shield system, which is a huge boon for any soldier, but too costly and difficult to implement for standard troops. I just hate the idea people get that we're all spartan-like super soldiers. We're not; our clones are genetically engineered to be imposing and quite strong, but our biggest advantage is that we learn from every death and come back always better than before.
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1986	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:29:00 - [6] - Quote Erm hate to rain on your parade but the recoil form the little guns would turn q normall trooper into mush. The radition, /heat in factall the guns would kill its user before long if u read the descripcions they say as much. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 154	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:36:00 - [7] - Quote You realize, none of the descriptions for ANY of the weapons say anything like that, right?
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 667	Posted - 2013.12.01 23:14:00 - [8] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: You realize, none of the descriptions for ANY of the weapons say anything like that, right? steadyhand amarr wrote: Erm hate to rain on your parade but the recoil form the little guns would turn q normall trooper into mush. The radition, /heat in factall the guns would kill its user before long if u read the descripcions they say as much. In fact, I would even ask that you find me a direct example of this..OTHER than the passage in Templar-One, since we do not know what kind of weapon Vince was firing, and he WAS doing it without armour, which is how he got burned. I would assume he was incorrectly referencing the drop uplink, which gives its user lethal radiation poisoning. I also found a reference about feedback damage on the laser rifle, so that's as close as it gets. I'm also reading through the Stranded chronicles to see if I find any references, I'll post the results later. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 24/11/13
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 431	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote Found it! I don't know about in-lore references but I remember back when I was first checking out Dust there was this. Read the fourth paragraph. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/25/2013.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 150	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:04:00 - [10] - Quote Guys, watch a dev blog for once... Or at least develop a mindset for weaponry. It's been stated time and time again by the devs that the weapons we wield more often than not can't be used by baseliners. Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best. Just look at the scrambler rifle. While on paper it is a horribly inefficient weapon it has seen a massive resurgence by mercenaries because they haven't had to worry about the potential feedback damage. Now granted, some weapons can still be operated by baseliners, but there would be a horrible size difference. Your typical mercenary stands seven feet tall, has alloy infused bones, joints held together by nano mesh, and skin that can regenerate from heat damage. To insist that we aren't supersoldiers and are 'just human' isn't just breaching canon to your liking, it throws the baby out with the bath water. Also, using small facts from Templar One... Not a good call. That series of books should be looked to by a true EVE player as our equivalent of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*

Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 155	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:35:00 - [11] - Quote While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon. Galm Fae wrote: Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best. You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things. Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 150	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:46:00 - [12] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon. Galm Fae wrote: Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best. You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things. Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer. Way to belittle an entire argument by unfairly attacking one point. No really, way to go. If you read Templar or any of the DUST 514 chronicles you'll find support on my side, which you seem to be directly ignoring. Additionally, hybrid technology like plasma weaponry has existed in the past, but nothing like what we have now. Your standard assault rifle spits out plasma casings at a super-heated level that would melt the face of anyone who isn't protected behind a dropsuit (and subsequently anyone who doesn't have the bone structure to support one.) This obviously couldn't be adapted at a civilian level or even with standard infantry. Between the recoil, heat, and sheer power behind it I think I can maintain that your basic person can't handle handheld plasma weaponry. Heck, they probably couldn't even handle a rail rifle. Gauss rifles fire low level electromagnetic projectiles, but thats way different then a full fledged railgun. Have you ever seen a railgun shoot of at all? The sure heat generated from firing creates arcs of plasma during charging and after firing. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3928	Posted - 2013.12.02 02:03:00 - [13] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon. Galm Fae wrote: Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best. You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things. Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer. Way to belittle an entire argument by unfairly attacking one point. No really, way to go. If you read Templar or any of the DUST 514 chronicles you'll find support on my side, which you seem to be directly ignoring. Additionally, hybrid technology like plasma weaponry has existed in the past, but nothing like what we have now. Your standard assault rifle spits out plasma casings at a super-heated level that would melt the face of anyone who isn't protected behind a dropsuit (and subsequently anyone who doesn't have the bone structure to support one.) This obviously couldn't be adapted at a civilian level or even with standard infantry. Between the recoil, heat, and sheer power behind it I think I can maintain that your basic person can't handle handheld plasma weaponry. Heck, they probably couldn't even handle a rail rifle. Gauss rifles fire low level electromagnetic projectiles, but thats way different then a full fledged railgun. Have you ever seen a railgun shoot of at all? The sure heat generated from firing creates arcs of plasma during charging and after firing. And since you seem to feel like bringing up the mass driver somehow nulls my entire argument, I think you're forgetting things like minimum safe distance which appears to be entirely absent on the mass driver. Even that weapon, something that could hypothetically be operated by standard infantry, has been modified to suit reckless immortal tactics. Actually, you can see that Galm is right just by watching the Video DevBlogs CCP put out. They use the Assault Rifle as an example, but the weapons we use in Dust did not exist before immortal soldier programs. Notice that neither of us are saying that weapons similar to these did not exist. What we use in Dust are significantly up-scaled weapons designed to be a threat to the advanced gear that we use, and usable only by soldiers with bodies designed like our's and wearing similar suits themselves. So yes, there were Assault Rifles before the one in Dust, but they were designed to be safer to use because the people using them had to live through using them and have a long lifespan. Our bodies have a 5-year max lifespan (confirmed in Templar One), and as such are designed to be disposable. We can use far more hazardous and powerful weapons with no repercussions. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4475	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:39:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon. Galm Fae wrote: Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best. You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things. Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer. Way to belittle an entire argument by unfairly attacking one point. No really, way to go. If you read Templar or any of the DUST 514 chronicles you'll find support on my side, which you seem to be directly ignoring. Additionally, hybrid technology like plasma weaponry has existed in the past, but nothing like what we have now. Your standard assault rifle spits out plasma casings at a super-heated level that would melt the face of anyone who isn't protected behind a dropsuit (and subsequently anyone who doesn't have the bone structure to support one.) This obviously couldn't be adapted at a civilian level or even with standard infantry. Between the recoil, heat, and sheer power behind it I think I can maintain that your basic person can't handle handheld plasma weaponry. Heck, they probably couldn't even handle a rail rifle. Gauss rifles fire low level electromagnetic projectiles, but thats way different then a full fledged railgun. Have you ever seen a railgun shoot of at all? The sure heat generated from firing creates arcs of plasma during charging and after firing. And since you seem to feel like bringing up the mass driver somehow nulls my entire argument, I think you're forgetting things like minimum safe distance which appears to be entirely absent on the mass driver. Even that weapon, something that could hypothetically be operated by standard infantry, has been modified to suit reckless immortal tactics. Actually, you can see that Galm is right just by watching the Video DevBlogs CCP put out. They use the Assault Rifle as an example, but the weapons we use in Dust did not exist before immortal soldier programs. Notice that neither of us are saying that weapons similar to these did not exist. What we use in Dust are significantly up-scaled weapons designed to be a threat to the advanced gear that we use, and usable only by soldiers with bodies designed like our's and wearing similar suits themselves. So yes, there were Assault Rifles before the one in Dust, but they were designed to be safer to use because the people using them had to live through using them and have a long lifespan. Our bodies have a 5-year max lifespan (confirmed in Templar One), and as such are designed to be disposable. We can use far more hazardous and powerful weapons with no repercussions. Indeed, like the civilian suits the current logistics suits are based off both the Forge and Mass Driver are mining equipment repurposed for combat, also noting the MTAC is the same way. I would also assume the combat rifle equivalents existed prior to their inception in dust since it is basically a large calibre rifle. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Demel Derpovsky Derringer Defenses 34	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:40:00 - [15] - Quote I personally believe there were tons and tons of precursor weapons that went about and did their thing, some of them illegal contraband that evolved into "our" lass of weaponry, some of them legalized for government forces. So afterwards when the whole immortal soldier came around, the aspects of all the precursor weapons were forged (hah, geetit...forged...like forge gun...heheh...I don't have friends ._. ) into our version of weapons. Let me go Semi-OOC for a second: I would like however to know what happened to the early "xm8" looking rifle that was used in the early Dust 514 trailers, what happened to those? Are they an older version of the rifles that was scrapped and replaced by others, a lower class weapon that was the first to be utilized for these operations, or maybe just....replaced because it looked like a xm8 (seriously...I don't understand the hate behind the gun, I mean....it does look like an airsoft gun- but, why all the hate?). My dream is to bring it back. Somehow slap it into the game! Just say it's....I don't know....Sansha's nation weapons! I don't care if the stats are the same! I would just like to see it in there, for fun! Here is the early gameplay for those who don't know what I'm yapping about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat4psYcvII I honestly would like to play that Dust more than the one we play now. It's gritty, dark, painful. Your a sweaty mercenary, you fingers shaking as your weapon's shouldered, presses against your cheek. You need to scratch that annoying, miserable itch on your face, but not now. You pray not now... An enemy bolts infront of you, making a run for the objective. Gotcha, pun, you mutter as you squeeze the trigger. The gun kicks back as you feel the quick thuds as the hammer slams into each bullet, the heavy, metal scraping raffle echoes in the air as shells eject from the side. The yellow beams that emerge from the weapon, scorching the enemy as they puncture through the shields, ripping apart the unlucky victims arm. You stop to see him groaning on the ground, snarling at you with a live grenade in his hand. *****! He curses as he lobs it, right into your bent elbow. You were going to throw it back. Until it went off.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 572	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:11:00 - [16] - Quote I have a theory, Since Mordu's Legion is providing us with weapons since mordu's trials, He only had acess to a small amount of Blueprints to manufacture the goods. Since Uprising thought, Factions started to see the potential of employing Mercs to fight their wars. So Uprising "1.7" We see, both the Minmatar, Caldari, Amarr and Gallente allowing Mordu's to produce their weaponry (giving to them , or allowing them to "steal their blueprints") and also we start to see a lot more weapons and equipments produced by the factions (LP Store...); The next expansion should be called "Escalation", the empires will support DUST mercs openly... and we will have acess to all the weaponry avaiable in their arsenal. By then, acess to industry (Capsuleers will make our items), Full conquest gameplay (Acess to full racial variety) and CONCORD trying to fight us with drones (PvE ...) will probably be in the game. Tanks 514! Cheap, fast, Indestrucbible and you see tankers telling it's balanced... Just makes you want to quit this BS
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5177	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:37:00 - [17] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: I have a theory, Since Mordu's Legion is providing us with weapons since mordu's trials, He only had acess to a small amount of Blueprints to manufacture the goods. Since Uprising thought, Factions started to see the potential of employing Mercs to fight their wars. So Uprising "1.7" We see, both the Minmatar, Caldari, Amarr and Gallente allowing Mordu's to produce their weaponry (giving to them , or allowing them to "steal their blueprints") and also we start to see a lot more weapons and equipments produced by the factions (LP Store...); The next expansion should be called "Escalation", the empires will support DUST mercs openly... and we will have acess to all the weaponry avaiable in their arsenal. By then, acess to industry (Capsuleers will make our items), Full conquest gameplay (Acess to full racial variety) and CONCORD trying to fight us with drones (PvE ...) will probably be in the game. I doubt the empires would miss out on such a rich goldmine of industrial opportunity by letting Mordu produce all such weapons. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 747	Posted - 2013.12.22 06:54:00 - [18] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: I have a theory, Since Mordu's Legion is providing us with weapons since mordu's trials, He only had acess to a small amount of Blueprints to manufacture the goods. Since Uprising thought, Factions started to see the potential of employing Mercs to fight their wars. So Uprising "1.7" We see, both the Minmatar, Caldari, Amarr and Gallente allowing Mordu's to produce their weaponry (giving to them , or allowing them to "steal their blueprints") and also we start to see a lot more weapons and equipments produced by the factions (LP Store...); The next expansion should be called "Escalation", the empires will support DUST mercs openly... and we will have acess to all the weaponry avaiable in their arsenal. By then, acess to industry (Capsuleers will make our items), Full conquest gameplay (Acess to full racial variety) and CONCORD trying to fight us with drones (PvE ...) will probably be in the game. Few faults with your idea: 1. Mordu's Legion has never produced DUST weaponry and equipment past the Mordu's trials, it's been all made by the empires. 2. Empires are already supporting the DUST mercs openly, who do you manufactures the equipment? 3. CONCORD is the force that keeps all the Empires in check, and they have mostly yielded to their will outside a few incidents. You are mixing up CONCORD and Rogue Drones here. And I'm still the supporter of the idea that they were simply finished researching the weapon and thought it was good to be released to the DUST mercs. It isn't some top secret military project, the weapons have been talked about for months, so they have obviously been announced to be released at some point by the Empires. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 573	Posted - 2013.12.22 14:22:00 - [19] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: I have a theory, Few faults with your idea: 1. Mordu's Legion has never produced DUST weaponry and equipment past the Mordu's trials, it's been all made by the empires. 2. Empires are already supporting the DUST mercs openly, who do you manufactures the equipment? 3. CONCORD is the force that keeps all the Empires in check, and they have mostly yielded to their will outside a few incidents. You are mixing up CONCORD and Rogue Drones here. And I'm still the supporter of the idea that they were simply finished researching the weapon and thought it was good to be released to the DUST mercs. It isn't some top secret military project, the weapons have been talked about for months, so they have obviously been announced to be released at some point by the Empires. 1. Really? Thought they were providing us with gear... I will double check and look for sources.... 2. Yes... but they are really afraid of us, so that's why they are holding full support... 3. Yup, I'm messing things up... Who else will use Rogue drones against us ? 4. This idea is what's been liked the most... It's the most plausible... But I have a question to spice things up... Why are they called Militia, Std, etc... Are Mlt and std gear used by normal troopers. If not, what normal troopers use ? Tanks 514! Cheap, fast, Indestrucbible and you see tankers telling it's balanced... Just makes you want to quit this BS
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 573	Posted - 2013.12.22 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: I have a theory, I doubt the empires would miss out on such a rich goldmine of industrial opportunity by letting Mordu produce all such weapons. Will double check this ... Tanks 514! Cheap, fast, Indestrucbible and you see tankers telling it's balanced... Just makes you want to quit this BS

Demel Derpovsky Derringer Defenses 39	Posted - 2013.12.22 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: the empires will support DUST mercs openly... and we will have acess to all the weaponry avaiable in their arsenal. By then, acess to industry (Capsuleers will make our items), Full conquest gameplay (Acess to full racial variety) and CONCORD trying to fight us with drones (PvE ...) will probably be in the game. Allow me to digress from the topic for a moment, but I really feel like making Dust equipment should also be for dust players themselves. Maybe there'll somewhere on the web to manage your Dust factories, items, etc... I would also like to see more Dust 514 integration with Eve in terms of the PvE. None the less, all these sound good.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 751	Posted - 2013.12.22 16:52:00 - [22] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: 1. Really? Thought they were providing us with gear... I will double check and look for sources... If you just look at the weapon description, they say they have been made by Empire corporations. Lai Dai, CreoDron, Boundless, Carthum etc. Mordu's Legion is not involved in the manufacture of these items at all, nor have they ever been. Necandi Brasil wrote: 2. Yes... but they are really afraid of us, so that's why they are holding full support... The Empires were the ones who started the entire Clone Soldier program, the first being the Amarr Templars. Mordu's Legion only came into play when the mercenaries, trained by the Empires, were being tested in private trials. Suddenly not giving full support when they were the ones who made dusters doesn't make sense Necandi Brasil wrote: 3. Yup, I'm messing things up... Who else will use Rogue drones against us ? Rogue Drones are just what the name says, Rogue. No Empire or Empire afflicted entity controls them, and nobody knows why they behave how they behave. Research suggests a hive mind with a singular entity controlling all, but no one has been able to prove its existence yet. Necandi Brasil wrote: 4. This idea is what's been liked the most... It's the most plausible... But I have a question to spice things up... Why are they called Militia, Std, etc... Are Mlt and std gear used by normal troopers. If not, what normal troopers use ? The names are just names for god's sake, they hold no special meaning. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th


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