DUST Search - Sidearm Logi's: The Great Overreaction

DUST Fiend wrote:

RKKR wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

RKKR wrote:

CCP LogiBro picking out a thread with that title of all the recent logi-threads?

I think it is reasonable that people post even more logi threads (no one cared before) about how this particular idea is a bad idea.

Post ahead gentlemen.

That's just one of the most common arguments against logi's being slayers, and CCP has already shown in the past that they don't want Killer Bees to bee the norm.

You're all welcome to continue posting entirely misinformed rage threads though, if nothing else it has been highly amusing, and the discussion is always nice, even if it just gets drowned in GD since everyone knows real feedback goes in the feedback section, where it actually stands a chance at being read.

It being common doesn't make it the best solution.

Please point out a thread that is entirely misinformed and contains rage from me.

Feedback? Do you still believe in the communication-stuff going on in the CCP DUST teams?

I never said it was the best solution, and neither did CCP, they merely stated that they don't want slayer logi's

I didn't mean to lump you in there, sort of just a blanket statement after reading waaaay too many posts on this "issue"

And I only just recently started to have more faith in CCPs ability to take our feedback in a constructive way and make it work. If you don't have faith in something so basic, then why even make threads about the issue, if you believe CCP won't see it anyways?

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8018	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:07:00 - [1] - Quote CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. At no point in that tiny blurb does it state ANYTHING about removing the light weapon, other than the shortened title of the linked thread. If anyone actually cared to read, it says they plan to change the logistics skills to give them an actual role and prevent them from being slayers. Nowhere does it even remotely hint at agreeing with sidearm only Logi's I've just been arguing the points for arguments sake, but many of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. Chill. Read. Chill some more. Source Read / Vid / Stream
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 50	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:09:00 - [2] - Quote Message from Godin: This, but I'll just sit back and collect the tears......
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 478	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:10:00 - [3] - Quote CCP LogiBro picking out a thread with that title of all the recent logi-threads? I think it is reasonable that people post even more logi threads (no one cared before) about how this particular idea is a bad idea. Post ahead gentlemen.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8019	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:12:00 - [4] - Quote RKKR wrote: CCP LogiBro picking out a thread with that title of all the recent logi-threads? I think it is reasonable that people post even more logi threads (no one cared before) about how this particular idea is a bad idea. Post ahead gentlemen. That's just one of the most common arguments against logi's being slayers, and CCP has already shown in the past that they don't want Killer Bees to bee the norm. You're all welcome to continue posting entirely misinformed rage threads though, if nothing else it has been highly amusing, and the discussion is always nice, even if it just gets drowned in GD since everyone knows real feedback goes in the feedback section, where it actually stands a chance at being read. Read / Vid / Stream
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 478	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:17:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: RKKR wrote: CCP LogiBro picking out a thread with that title of all the recent logi-threads? I think it is reasonable that people post even more logi threads (no one cared before) about how this particular idea is a bad idea. Post ahead gentlemen. That's just one of the most common arguments against logi's being slayers, and CCP has already shown in the past that they don't want Killer Bees to bee the norm. You're all welcome to continue posting entirely misinformed rage threads though, if nothing else it has been highly amusing, and the discussion is always nice, even if it just gets drowned in GD since everyone knows real feedback goes in the feedback section, where it actually stands a chance at being read. It being common doesn't make it the best solution. Please point out a thread that is entirely misinformed and contains rage from me. Feedback? Do you still believe in the communication-stuff going on in the CCP DUST teams?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8023	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote RKKR wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: RKKR wrote: CCP LogiBro picking out a thread with that title of all the recent logi-threads? I think it is reasonable that people post even more logi threads (no one cared before) about how this particular idea is a bad idea. Post ahead gentlemen. That's just one of the most common arguments against logi's being slayers, and CCP has already shown in the past that they don't want Killer Bees to bee the norm. You're all welcome to continue posting entirely misinformed rage threads though, if nothing else it has been highly amusing, and the discussion is always nice, even if it just gets drowned in GD since everyone knows real feedback goes in the feedback section, where it actually stands a chance at being read. It being common doesn't make it the best solution. Please point out a thread that is entirely misinformed and contains rage from me. Feedback? Do you still believe in the communication-stuff going on in the CCP DUST teams? I never said it was the best solution, and neither did CCP, they merely stated that they don't want slayer logi's I didn't mean to lump you in there, sort of just a blanket statement after reading waaaay too many posts on this "issue" And I only just recently started to have more faith in CCPs ability to take our feedback in a constructive way and make it work. If you don't have faith in something so basic, then why even make threads about the issue, if you believe CCP won't see it anyways? Read / Vid / Stream
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2365	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:20:00 - [7] - Quote Violent reactions from scrub fotm users. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5426	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:22:00 - [8] - Quote foaming at the mouth waaargh but sidarm log neds 2 be done it so op Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 478	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:31:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: RKKR wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: RKKR wrote: CCP LogiBro picking out a thread with that title of all the recent logi-threads? I think it is reasonable that people post even more logi threads (no one cared before) about how this particular idea is a bad idea. Post ahead gentlemen. That's just one of the most common arguments against logi's being slayers, and CCP has already shown in the past that they don't want Killer Bees to bee the norm. You're all welcome to continue posting entirely misinformed rage threads though, if nothing else it has been highly amusing, and the discussion is always nice, even if it just gets drowned in GD since everyone knows real feedback goes in the feedback section, where it actually stands a chance at being read. It being common doesn't make it the best solution. Please point out a thread that is entirely misinformed and contains rage from me. Feedback? Do you still believe in the communication-stuff going on in the CCP DUST teams? I never said it was the best solution, and neither did CCP, they merely stated that they don't want slayer logi's I didn't mean to lump you in there, sort of just a blanket statement after reading waaaay too many posts on this "issue" And I only just recently started to have more faith in CCPs ability to take our feedback in a constructive way and make it work. If you don't have faith in something so basic, then why even make threads about the issue, if you believe CCP won't see it anyways? Click that link in your first post. Count the words. Point out to me how constructive it is compared to other threads about the same topic and explain to me why CCP decided to take that thread as an example because I don't understand. Also what made it so that your faith has increased?
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3864	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:44:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. At no point in that tiny blurb does it state ANYTHING about removing the light weapon, other than the shortened title of the linked thread. If anyone actually cared to read, it says they plan to change the logistics skills to give them an actual role and prevent them from being slayers. Nowhere does it even remotely hint at agreeing with sidearm only Logi's I've just been arguing the points for arguments sake, but many of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. Chill. Read. Chill some more. Source Thank you for encouraging people not to flip out and run around screaming. Sometimes it seems like only a few of us actually think about things around here. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1274	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:46:00 - [11] - Quote They want them to change everything as much as possible so everyone gets a respec. It is not about logi op or AR op it is about respecs. If they take the logi medium weapon then all logi suits can call for a respec. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Cosgar ParagonX 8017	Posted - 2013.11.26 23:22:00 - [12] - Quote Overreaction? More like overassumption. If you read the blog about the CaLogi nerf and Amarr logi buff, you would already know this was about changing the suit bonus, most likely for all suits to get rid of blanket bonuses that are misplaced and give logis an equipment oriented suit bonus. Now if they did nerf logis to sidearms, there would have to be a lot of changes to core gameplay to compensate. First off, we'd need the range cap back. Second of all, assaults should have to give up their equipment if were going to be the pack mules. And finally, this is just personal preference, but give KB/m raw input so we can see how many people cry for scrambler pistol nerfs. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1250	Posted - 2013.11.26 23:37:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: foaming at the mouth waaargh but sidarm log neds 2 be done it so op Bad Orc, we know you like yellow :p On the subject of the thread, most of the threads I've seen on the subject are just there to argue the point. Many of them predate the CCP post, and none of them site that post as the source of their worries. People just want to get their side of that particular argument heard, especially now that there's proof that CCP is looking into Logis on a general level. Shields as Weapons
CharCharOdell 1692	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:06:00 - [14] - Quote This warrants a respec. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 463	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:11:00 - [15] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: everything warrants a respec. Fixed it for you, lol. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1074	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:12:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. At no point in that tiny blurb does it state ANYTHING about removing the light weapon, other than the shortened title of the linked thread. If anyone actually cared to read, it says they plan to change the logistics skills to give them an actual role and prevent them from being slayers. Nowhere does it even remotely hint at agreeing with sidearm only Logi's I've just been arguing the points for arguments sake, but many of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. Chill. Read. Chill some more. Source True but, do you run an AR? Imagine if they said Status: There is planned change to AR skills, this will definitely change there role on the battlefield and prevent players using them as a "one size fits all" weapon. You really think you'd be able to keep your ***together? The pen is mightier than the sword* The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 143	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:19:00 - [17] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: everything non-assault Ar. warrants a respec. Fixed it for you, lol. Fixed it again
castba Penguin's March 217	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:25:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. At no point in that tiny blurb does it state ANYTHING about removing the light weapon, other than the shortened title of the linked thread. If anyone actually cared to read, it says they plan to change the logistics skills to give them an actual role and prevent them from being slayers. Nowhere does it even remotely hint at agreeing with sidearm only Logi's I've just been arguing the points for arguments sake, but many of you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. Chill. Read. Chill some more. Source You are asking an overly emotional and protective community who skim over the details, to actually read and comprehend what is actually being said? I like you Dust Fiend. You gave me a good chuckle this morning. That said, bring on the sidearm only logis that can deploy small turrets (with a cooldown), heavies that can ONLY use heavy weapons and sidearms, assaults without equipment, scouts that have semi-cloaking (but adds 20-30db to their signature while active) and a little more foot speed to the commando. Bring me differentiation I say! I Support SP Rollover
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 582	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:27:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: If you read the blog about the CaLogi nerf and Amarr logi buff, you would already know this was about changing the suit bonus, most likely for all suits to get rid of blanket bonuses that are misplaced and give logis an equipment oriented suit bonus. Yeah the whole thing would be a lot better if they just gave DUST the same bonus setup as in Eve ... where items recieve bonuses based off relevant skills ... rather than skills giving bonuses to items. It's mostly the dropsuits n vehicle hulls that need it ... but you could give Amarr Logistics a bonus to repair tools per level of the repair tool skill PLUS a bonus to damage of light weapons per level of the Amarr Logistics skill, since it's ment to be a 'Combat Logistics' ... Different suits and vehicles could be given different bonuses to per skill level of various skills rather than 'ok you've got proto suit so you get x% of this n y% of that, whether you're wearing the proto or the basic !' That's the other thing with this idea ... the basic Minmatar logistics could get bonus to hacking speed per level of the hacking skill but proto could get bonus to hacking speed AND bonus to sprint speed per level of Dropsuit Upgrades (or whatever, point is you can use any skill to apply bonuses to a suit or vehicle hull).


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