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Evicer
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:18:00 -
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This is a game killer... We as players are loosing options and survivability to suits a need to Spend money on boosters.A need to cross class .A need to spend sp on dropsuit upgrades....
With survivability of the logi suit being diminished it becomes Amarr commando which means I start going negative after match payout which means I ditch the suit .Which means I stop supporting.Which means you die more often .which means you run out of ammo.Which means you go broke.Which means.You buy Aurum.Which means you have to equip your assault with Aurum gear and now there is no one to rep you because LOgi is fd so no one plays it.
(in the future) Fw pays nothing you are loosing RL money .Your BPO"S have been removed.........an on and on down the toilet we go.
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:25:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Vell0cet wrote:The easy fix is to nerf CPU/PG significantly so it's impossible to fit a pimped out tank with a pimped out weapon. Then give a huge bonus CPU/PG reduction to certain equipment (like nanohives, needles, reppers, etc.). This would result in them being able to use great gear, but with lower tier weapons, or a great weapon with a weaker tank.
Also, as TTK get's fixed, speed will play more of a factor in the overall survivability of a suit. This will hurt the logi some because it's drawback will be more significant. actually the easy fix is leave everything alone and simply remove light weapon from logi suit so that anyone with a brain will no longer play the suit and others will realize that you are just everyones ***** and the most expensive target on the field....
Im sorry but that was my translation of what you just typed
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:27:00 -
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Adiran Zanzalin wrote:The issue I'm seing here is 2 fold. One par t player one part ccp.
The player side is expectation. I see you are logi. So I expect you to do just that. Logistics/revive/repair/support not out kill me and be better than me at my job what ever that is.
The ccp side is they alow the logi suit to do just that. Be better at almost everything. There is no built in rol for the suit. Yes its slower unless your minmatar no side arm unless your amarr ect. But when a skilled player gets ahold of it thoes are minor things that will hardly effect his performance.
If people want each suit to have a role ccp needs to give them one. Example: in eve online try taking a logi ship and combat fitting it to fight solo. Then take it up aginst a solo fit combat oriented ship. Didnt work did it. The problem there also is this is a different type of game. If say logis only had side arms they can still kill a assult. Unless the assult uses his role/range to his advantage. That is why I support that change if it were to happen. Its not rock paper scisors I win no matter what and skill/experience/tactics alow you to have a role but not gurante failure when given a certan situation. i have 32 million sp ...that redistributed will allow me to do a great many things in this game far better than you.
Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake
My motto regarding haters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2013.11.26 20:29:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Evicer wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Vell0cet wrote:The easy fix is to nerf CPU/PG significantly so it's impossible to fit a pimped out tank with a pimped out weapon. Then give a huge bonus CPU/PG reduction to certain equipment (like nanohives, needles, reppers, etc.). This would result in them being able to use great gear, but with lower tier weapons, or a great weapon with a weaker tank.
Also, as TTK get's fixed, speed will play more of a factor in the overall survivability of a suit. This will hurt the logi some because it's drawback will be more significant. actually the easy fix is leave everything alone and simply remove light weapon from logi suit so that anyone with a brain will no longer play the suit and others will realize that you are just everyones ***** and the most expensive target on the field.... Im sorry but that was my translation of what you just typed Speak for yourself, I've been running a Sidearm-Only Logi for nearly a year now. ive never even heard of you ....and what are you ranked
Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2013.11.26 20:43:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote: never heard of you either
People who like being logis will be fine, the only people upset are the ones who like slaying in a logi suit so they still have equipment slots.
ishucone SMG kicks butt up close, if you get close to me, you will likely die.
good luck getting close to weapons that will be hitting you at 100 m
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Evicer
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:46:00 -
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calvin b wrote:If team work is priority than the logi has nothing to worry. The assault will advance the line the heavy will surround the logi as the logi reps and resupplies the team. If you treat the logi like the secret service does the president you can now see how a logi could survive with a sidearm. Now here is where everyone would say well a core will fix that. I say maybe, but you missed the well placed sniper watching our every move and you will never get close enough. too bad there isnt an assist leaderboard......lol
Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake
My motto regarding haters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:03:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:SirManBoy wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:If the Assport Logi want to run home to mama and cry cause their do-it-all suit gets tweaked into better fulfilling its intended support role and can't be used for full frontal assault then let them....
My Wiyrkomi Injectors run on tears, thank you for helping me do my job.
For the record, I wouldn't mind a Sidearm-Only restriction, though I am more in favor of adding the Logi Weapon category (which would amount to every Light Weapon except the AR and its variants) between Light Weapons and Sidearm. I am confidant that would suffice to solve the Assport Logi problem rather quickly. I honestly don't know any logis that don't carry equipment. Why wouldn't you? For 30-100 more HP you'd sacrifice the awesomeness of equipment? I think there is a fine line between assault logi and logi that is just really good at the game. I see guys all the time go 20-2 with 4000 WP. I'm no mathematician but I think that is 1/4 of the WP from killing and 3/4 from support. Should he/she commit suicide 8 times a game so that the scrubs are happy? Well that in itself is part of the problem, considering you can go far above your maximum equipment at any given time by just laying out different versions of each thing (uplinks and nanohives come to mind). You should only be able to have as many of one kind of equipment active equal to the highest maximum allowed (god I can never phrase that easily) Basically, if you have 3 different uplinks, two that allow for 2 to be placed, and one that allows for 3, you could never place more than 3 uplinks at any given time. Painting the field with equipment is obnoxious, and leads to players earning insane amounts of WP for virtually no effort on their part. Also, bring back the armor rep WP cap, it's just obnoxious right now >_< Limit equipment use and WP? You are everything I hate about this community. Truly. The equipment use issue is one that is universal, not just with Logi's, though after giving it more thought, perhaps it wouldn't be as bad if only logi's were able to stack active equipments. Being able to sit at a supply depot and swap out fits so you can drop an obscene amount of equipment is foolish and on top of that, tends to lag the **** out of the game (many people have already suggested limiting max hives and uplinks, which is simply a different approach to the same problem). The unlimited WP for triage IS absurd though, especially considering how strong they are now. They added that cap in for a reason, why they removed it as they give reps a massive buff is confusing at best. I've seen people get 3000+ WP in a match for dropping some hives and uplinks, then just following around repping all game. I think that action should be rewarded for sure, but it just feels like it's being over rewarded. Something has to give, as the logi is the wonder unit of DUST, and has been for a long time. And before you go taking everything everyone says as gospel, remember that this is General Discussion, where we have discussions about general things. You can't have a discussion if everyone kisses each others asses and agrees with everything everyone says. In every picture I ever saw about DUSt that has the 4 suits the logi was in the front there is no need to continue to gain sp after you specialize into one class unless you decide to go LOGI. WHere you as a player can bring all your tools to the table.
Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake
My motto regarding haters
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:48:00 -
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Ive never seen you either.Please remember my name and when you see me the next time please use you pistol....I'll be slurping on your tears as you throw your DS3 up against the wall and it breaks into a thousand pieces...
Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake
My motto regarding haters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
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