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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1168	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:30:00 - [1] - Quote If the Assport Logi want to run home to mama and cry cause their do-it-all suit gets tweaked into better fulfilling its intended support role and can't be used for full frontal assault then let them.... My Wiyrkomi Injectors run on tears, thank you for helping me do my job. For the record, I wouldn't mind a Sidearm-Only restriction, though I am more in favor of adding the Logi Weapon category (which would amount to every Light Weapon except the AR and its variants) between Light Weapons and Sidearm. I am confidant that would suffice to solve the Assport Logi problem rather quickly. Signed, A Sidearm-Only Logi Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1168	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:52:00 - [2] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: If the Assport Logi want to run home to mama and cry cause their do-it-all suit gets tweaked into better fulfilling its intended support role and can't be used for full frontal assault then let them.... My Wiyrkomi Injectors run on tears, thank you for helping me do my job. For the record, I wouldn't mind a Sidearm-Only restriction, though I am more in favor of adding the Logi Weapon category (which would amount to every Light Weapon except the AR and its variants) between Light Weapons and Sidearm. I am confidant that would suffice to solve the Assport Logi problem rather quickly. I honestly don't know any logis that don't carry equipment. Why wouldn't you? For 30-100 more HP you'd sacrifice the awesomeness of equipment? I think there is a fine line between assault logi and logi that is just really good at the game. I see guys all the time go 20-2 with 4000 WP. I'm no mathematician but I think that is 1/4 of the WP from killing and 3/4 from support. Should he/she commit suicide 8 times a game so that the scrubs are happy? Compact Nanos don't count. Also, what make you think they are actually tanking and not ganktanking with damage mods? TBH, I think a fundamental component of the problem is the lack of incentive to defend. Which leads to people running around trading objectives and killwhoring. You end up with a blob of AR Assport Logi and Heavies in LLAVs roaming from objective to objective. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1168	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:47:00 - [3] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Answer me this: in the army during deployments in hot zones are medics only equipped with side arms. If its in the U.S army operating proceedure ill accept it. If not why do it? Medics in the Army carry an M4 and they are on the front lines. But logis aren't medics. Perhaps that's why I don't see the problem with it. I was an infantryman and was deployed in combat for 28 1/2 months. One the higher end teams everyone knows how to do the others job. You don't have concrete roles. Someone would have grabbed the "logis" gear (not necessary because we respawn) and they would have rolled on. Except DUST isn't real life, surprisingly. I can't remember the last time I watched a healer equip a greatsword and just go ham on a dungeon lol, I have no idea what you are talking about I guess my point is that I don't see why everyone wants the logi to be a medic that can't kill. It doesn't appear that it was ever supposed to be that based on the suits that have been available in the year . Logis != Medic Logis == Support guy with all of the equipment Assault != guy with all the equipment Assault == Frontline guy who kills most of the red doodz Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1168	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:20:00 - [4] - Quote Evicer wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The easy fix is to nerf CPU/PG significantly so it's impossible to fit a pimped out tank with a pimped out weapon. Then give a huge bonus CPU/PG reduction to certain equipment (like nanohives, needles, reppers, etc.). This would result in them being able to use great gear, but with lower tier weapons, or a great weapon with a weaker tank. Also, as TTK get's fixed, speed will play more of a factor in the overall survivability of a suit. This will hurt the logi some because it's drawback will be more significant. actually the easy fix is leave everything alone and simply remove light weapon from logi suit so that anyone with a brain will no longer play the suit and others will realize that you are just everyones ***** and the most expensive target on the field.... Im sorry but that was my translation of what you just typed Speak for yourself, I've been running a Sidearm-Only Logi for nearly a year now. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1170	Posted - 2013.11.26 21:53:00 - [5] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Evicer wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The easy fix is to nerf CPU/PG significantly so it's impossible to fit a pimped out tank with a pimped out weapon. Then give a huge bonus CPU/PG reduction to certain equipment (like nanohives, needles, reppers, etc.). This would result in them being able to use great gear, but with lower tier weapons, or a great weapon with a weaker tank. Also, as TTK get's fixed, speed will play more of a factor in the overall survivability of a suit. This will hurt the logi some because it's drawback will be more significant. actually the easy fix is leave everything alone and simply remove light weapon from logi suit so that anyone with a brain will no longer play the suit and others will realize that you are just everyones ***** and the most expensive target on the field.... Im sorry but that was my translation of what you just typed Speak for yourself, I've been running a Sidearm-Only Logi for nearly a year now. With what? A std SMG with prof 0 and no damage mods? The current single-shot flaylock? Doubtful. The "sidearm as viable main weapon" argument fails miserably if you are not using proto. I've got Sidearm Logi fits with all four Sidearm variants we have. I've run every tier of Flaylock, Scrambler Pistol and SMG as well as Nova Knives upto Advanced. I've been running these since I had no more than a BPO for Scrambler Pistols/SMGs and Operation 1 for Flaylocks and Nova Knives so I know exactly what it is like without Proficiency and damage mods. Currently, most of my fits are rocking BPO weapons, though there are some ADV in there as well as a Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol ad Viziam Scrambler Pistol thrown in for good measure. Personally, if I am just goofing off, there is nothing more fun than running a nova knife logi (it's super effective at pissing off AR dumbasses who go straight back to the same place). So yeah, I'd appreciate it if you didn't tell me that my primary weapons "fail miserably if you're not using proto" csuse it just makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1170	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote calvin b wrote: If team work is priority than the logi has nothing to worry. The assault will advance the line the heavy will surround the logi as the logi reps and resupplies the team. If you treat the logi like the secret service does the president you can now see how a logi could survive with a sidearm. Now here is where everyone would say well a core will fix that. I say maybe, but you missed the well placed sniper watching our every move and you will never get close enough. I hope that when we get Command Dropsuits, that they are essentially T2 logi suits. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1170	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:38:00 - [7] - Quote Evicer wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Evicer wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The easy fix is to nerf CPU/PG significantly so it's impossible to fit a pimped out tank with a pimped out weapon. Then give a huge bonus CPU/PG reduction to certain equipment (like nanohives, needles, reppers, etc.). This would result in them being able to use great gear, but with lower tier weapons, or a great weapon with a weaker tank. Also, as TTK get's fixed, speed will play more of a factor in the overall survivability of a suit. This will hurt the logi some because it's drawback will be more significant. actually the easy fix is leave everything alone and simply remove light weapon from logi suit so that anyone with a brain will no longer play the suit and others will realize that you are just everyones ***** and the most expensive target on the field.... Im sorry but that was my translation of what you just typed Speak for yourself, I've been running a Sidearm-Only Logi for nearly a year now. ive never even heard of you ....and what are you ranked Never heard of you either.... IDK what I am ranked because IDGAF what an easily gamed leaderboard says. Obviously, I can tell that you're one of the monkeys who probably check the leaderboard after every match to find out how you should fell about yourself until the next match is over. Serious question, I've heard that leaderboard monkeys cut themselves if the leaderboard says that their rank went down, do you? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1170	Posted - 2013.11.26 23:35:00 - [8] - Quote Evicer wrote: Ive never seen you either.Please remember my name and when you see me the next time please use you pistol....I'll be slurping on your tears as you throw your DS3 up against the wall and it breaks into a thousand pieces... Isn't that cute, he thinks I'm BM_007 Lolno, it seems obvious that you are one of the Assport logi who'll ragequit if CCP makes Logi Sidearm-Only. I mean, haven't you already cried for a full respec at the mere suggestion that CCP might follow through with Sidearm-Only Logi. I'll remember your name, if only so I can read all of the delicious tears when CCP takes away your do-it-all Assport Logi suit. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1170	Posted - 2013.11.26 23:39:00 - [9] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: billy bloodbath2 wrote: Cosgar wrote: 2 things for the asshats crying for logis to be stuck with sidearms: -Are you bad enough to unleash that many Ishukone SMGs and Carthium pistols on the field? -How long will it be before everyone wants assaults nerfed when they become the best suit in the game purely by comparison? I don't think I will continue this game without a full respec if logis are reduced to side arms. This After ccp gives you babies a diaper change then what?Your going to start crying about how the other assaults racial bonuses are better than your assault.You cry about slayer but thats the Ars fault(your precious win button). -Ar scout -Ar heavy -Ar logi -Ar assault All have pretty much the same killing potential because the Ar doesn't discriminate between suit.So please tell me what are these super logis killing you with?If its an Ar then STFU but even with sidearms only you babies will still get owned.NOW WHERE IS MY RESPEC!! ROFL, so much rage, I love it.... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1170	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:42:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: SirManBoy wrote: Real life logis don't go sidearm only. See Navy Corpsman: http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/corpsman3.jpg Thor, Are U.S. Army field medics similarly outfitted? No dude, in the army medics shake needles at the enemy and hide behind the assault guys holding ammo. Sounds like you're advocating for weaponless logi, I at least want them to be able to defend themselves with more than just melee. Also, your description of what you'll do if you see me in a battle leads me to believe that you've got a lot of skin in being a slayer logi, it'll be so nice when slayer logi is no longer a viable option. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1177	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:53:00 - [11] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: SirManBoy wrote: Real life logis don't go sidearm only. See Navy Corpsman: http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/corpsman3.jpg Thor, Are U.S. Army field medics similarly outfitted? No dude, in the army medics shake needles at the enemy and hide behind the assault guys holding ammo. Sounds like you're advocating for weaponless logi, I at least want them to be able to defend themselves with more than just melee. Also, your description of what you'll do if you see me in a battle leads me to believe that you've got a lot of skin in being a slayer logi, it'll be so nice when slayer logi is no longer a viable option. When the weapons you are advocating have an effective range that's half the distance of the majority of weapons on the field, you may as we'll be stuck without a weapon. This is the reason why they don't stick real medics with sidearms only in combat. Video Game != Real Life Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

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