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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:48:00 -
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This has to be one of the most annoying features CCP has introduced into dust besides rendering, ok so recalling brick tanks,dropships and LLAV's needs to stop im sick of this Bullsheet let me explain why,
Railgun tank fights amour mostly- If anyone knows about railgun tank fights atm you know that if the enemy tank is sitting in his redline you have very few options of killing him, one being combo my railgun shots with a orbital or suicide AV with a ds right?
WRONG! as soon as i start to shoot into any railtanker he 75% of the time will move deeper into the redline behind cover then start recalling his tank. Back in chromo you felt the feeling of omg theres anther rail tank on the field i gota be carefull and now its just ok theres anther rail tank im going to recall and not risk my tank like wtf? i dont know what it is its not like my 27m sp is all into tanks only 4m out of it is! and people still decide not to fight me, CCP should remove recall so once you call in a vehicle you have to try to survive in it not use it for 1 rail tank shot then recall it 10 times in 1 game bro wtf.
LLAV- Ok i know im not the only one who does this, that shield LLAV put two shield extenders on it with two 15% passive resistance and now you are a god unless av grenade kills you outa your LLAV or somthing else direct hits you outa your seat aka railgun turret unmanned lol. all you have to do is recall this thing everytime you take like 50% damage to shield and no1 will ever stop you thats anther reason why recall needs to be removed.
Dropships- not the biggest problem for me but i do know a couple python pilots who just hp buff the sheet outa that thing and as soon there 50% hp they recall making it rediculous to kill and for people who say oh dropships are easy to kill try to kill Xx blackhole xX Nova who has python maxed out in everyway and can survive 3 of my proto forge hits.
If you don't want recall removed atleast make it cost isk to have a RDV come back.
Thanks for your time who else can't wait for 1.7 
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:51:00 -
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Well the little message that pops up says that an RDV is coming to take it away.
So while I think vehicle recall is obnoxious right now, I think that's only because CCP hasn't figured out how to make the RDV just come down, and take it. That alone would balance everything out, even if you kept the insanely fast recall speed, since you'd have to actually sit and wait for an RDV to not only come down, but align, and then fly away, all the while your vehicle is prone to attack, same for the RDV.
That's how it should be done. If not, then let me teleport my vehicles into battle the same way I teleport them out.
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:54:00 -
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Yeah playing star trek with tanks makes it hard lol if i was able to shoot the tanks while the enemy is recalling it i would say that's pretty fair good idea bro
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SteelDark Knight
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:54:00 -
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I agree, and to be fair they should remove the ability to change suits at a supply depot. |
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Well the little message that pops up says that an RDV is coming to take it away.
So while I think vehicle recall is obnoxious right now, I think that's only because CCP hasn't figured out how to make the RDV just come down, and take it. That alone would balance everything out, even if you kept the insanely fast recall speed, since you'd have to actually sit and wait for an RDV to not only come down, but align, and then fly away, all the while your vehicle is prone to attack, same for the RDV.
That's how it should be done. If not, then let me teleport my vehicles into battle the same way I teleport them out.
Yes, precisely. If an RDV came to recover the vehicle, all of the issues we have right now would be resolved immediately.
Anyone that wanted to recall their vehicle would have to get even further away to try and find some cover for the RDV to come in, and they would still be vulnerable to a speedy vehicle or suit with AV catching up to them and blapping their vehicle before it can be recovered, rather than this stupid bullshit now where they can go around a corner 20 meters from you and make their vehicle disappear.
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:15:00 -
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Have you every been about to kill a tank witha derp ship and the tanker just hops out and you watch him recall his tank at like 1/3 hp left no more star trek this is dust 514!
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:18:00 -
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Someone suggested a timer between the last time you were damaged to when you can recall (say 15 seconds).
As for removing recall entirely? No, oh heeeeeeell no
As for blacknova, he deserves to survive 3 shots from your forge. Guess what, you need to use teamwork to kill him (omg, what's that?) Right now this just seems like QQ because you can't kill some vehicles.
You won't even render to railtanks if they are in their redline (unless you are in a tank)
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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:20:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Someone suggested a timer between the last time you were damaged to when you can recall (say 15 seconds).
As for removing recall entirely? No, oh heeeeeeell no
Uh, no one said anything about removing Recall.
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:22:00 -
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IF you are doing a recall and the vehicle is damaged it should stop the recall and make you try again like when your tank is on fire and you can't recall it
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:22:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Someone suggested a timer between the last time you were damaged to when you can recall (say 15 seconds).
As for removing recall entirely? No, oh heeeeeeell no Uh, no one said anything about removing Recall.
That's what the op seems to be asking
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:24:00 -
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there is already a nerf in place for vehicle recall its called the blue dots afking nerf... |
Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:24:00 -
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Infamous Erich wrote:IF you are doing a recall and the vehicle is damaged it should stop the recall and make you try again like when your tank is on fire and you can't recall it
I would be ok with that, although only the armor for armor tanks or shield for shield tanks, cause I wouldnt want to wait 5 minutes for my shields to regen
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:25:00 -
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I bet you are one of the people who recall 5 times a game to save your butt from being brused
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:26:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:I agree, and to be fair they should remove the ability to change suits at a supply depot.
Good point, but when I change suits when half my armor is gone, my next suit still has half the armor gone. Saw in an earlier thread that some do get a full hp suit. Anyway I would be ok with losing that option.
Can't believe I'm saying this because I'm AV, but ISK wise, still would be a huge loss for the HAV guy.
I would say let them recall it, but if they bring it back in it comes with same damage. Or if they call in a fresh one they lose the isk for the first.
They would also have to figure out wp for the guy who forced them to recall it.
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:30:00 -
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like we said above the RDV needs to come down and pick up the tank instead of it disappearing on the spot.
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SteelDark Knight
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:36:00 -
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Justice Prevails wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:I agree, and to be fair they should remove the ability to change suits at a supply depot. Good point, but when I change suits when half my armor is gone, my next suit still has half the armor gone. Saw in an earlier thread that some do get a full hp suit. Anyway I would be ok with losing that option. Can't believe I'm saying this because I'm AV, but ISK wise, still would be a huge loss for the HAV guy. I would say let them recall it, but if they bring it back in it comes with same damage. Or if they call in a fresh one they lose the isk for the first. They would also have to figure out wp for the guy who forced them to recall it.
Just a tip - switch to a different suit type, then back to your original and your armor will be 100% repaired. Can be done in a couple of seconds.  |
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:44:00 -
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Infamous Erich wrote:like we said above the RDV needs to come down and pick up the tank instead of it disappearing on the spot.
That is frustrating when a HAV comes in, kills 10 of your buddies, you start nailing him, chase him around the corner and he's gone. While we're on it, how come it's easier to see scouts on my passive scan than a freaken tank? Those things should be glowing like the northern lights:-)
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:46:00 -
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SteelDark [/quote wrote:Just a tip - switch to a different suit type, then back to your original and your armor will be 100% repaired. Can be done in a couple of seconds.
Thanks. Learn something new everyday:-)
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Kovinis Sparagas
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Well the little message that pops up says that an RDV is coming to take it away.
So while I think vehicle recall is obnoxious right now, I think that's only because CCP hasn't figured out how to make the RDV just come down, and take it. That alone would balance everything out, even if you kept the insanely fast recall speed, since you'd have to actually sit and wait for an RDV to not only come down, but align, and then fly away, all the while your vehicle is prone to attack, same for the RDV.
That's how it should be done. If not, then let me teleport my vehicles into battle the same way I teleport them out.
I REALLY hope so.
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:14:00 -
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i might aswell just fit a 11k amour maddy with no rep and stay in the redline and just recall my tank everytime my panties get wet is that what CCP wants?
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:39:00 -
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when AV and HAV are more balanced ill pay credence to AV QQ over not getting a kill...
till then, ill drink your tears and help you untie those knots in your panties...
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Justicar Karnellia
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:53:00 -
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Ok I don't use vehicles often, but I do use AV a lot and I see that a feature originally introduced to recall a vehicle because it is no longer tactically required or has fallen into a ditch it can't get out of is now being used to just prevent the loss in a battle situation of the item. I agree with your grievances and there have been a few threads on this topic already which have thrown around some interesting ideas to make the recall fair:
1) You cannot recall while you are taking damage or under fire
2) An RDV has to physically appear to come and get your vehicle, which introduces a few extra elements:
i) Your RDV can be "shot down" and your recall fails
ii) You have to be physically accessible to the RDV (ie. not inside)
iii) It tells the enemy that a pickup is happening, giving them a chance to stop it.
3) You can only recall in certain areas or NOT in certain areas (cannot recall inside, or can only recall in your redline, etc.)
You could actually use one or all of the above suggestions to make a pretty fair system that meets the original requirements of the functionality. It would avoid behaviour like what I see often now -> Tanker runs out just shooting infantry, starts to take a few AV blows, realises he might lose precious tank, quickly hops out and recalls, saving the tank... Once he's out of danger, calls tank back in.
So to sum it up:
1) There is an issue
2) I don't think it's a CCP priority now... so lets wait and see...
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:56:00 -
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Infamous Erich wrote:i might aswell just fit a 11k amour maddy with no rep and stay in the redline and just recall my tank everytime my panties get wet is that what CCP wants?
My tank has 11k ehp and has a heavy armor rep...  do what ever you want, this is a sandbox game
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:59:00 -
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this isn't a qq about me with my AV weapons saying oh my swarm still isn't doing the job cause no.. this is coming from a vehicle user and let me tell you with maxed railgun level and sheet if the enemy is sitting in his redline theres no way of killing the tank besides 2 methods
1- suicide dropship with a buddy or 2 with AV Gear
2-combo my railgun damage with a orbital
they need a railgun damage buff so railgun fights can kill the enemy before he just rolls backwards and recalls his tank
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Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.28 15:01:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Infamous Erich wrote:i might aswell just fit a 11k amour maddy with no rep and stay in the redline and just recall my tank everytime my panties get wet is that what CCP wants? My tank has 11k ehp and has a heavy armor rep... do what ever you want, this is a sandbox game
i serouisly dought that you have 11k ehp with a heavy rep unless std missiles all around and you have tank fittings maxed lol
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Posted - 2013.11.28 15:04:00 -
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Infamous Erich wrote:I bet you are one of the people who recall 5 times a game to save your butt from being brused
If shield boosters functioned I might not have to recall my tanks so often - as it is I get one fight out of them, then I either wait five minutes or I need to recall. |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 15:06:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Infamous Erich wrote:I bet you are one of the people who recall 5 times a game to save your butt from being brused If shield boosters functioned I might not have to recall my tanks so often - as it is I get one fight out of them, then I either wait five minutes or I need to recall.
Well if shield tanks were the way they used to be you could fit your tank for a passive shield fit but we havn't seen that since chromo and its a shame
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