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KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2426	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:22:00 - [1] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: they think 3 shotting any dropship and insta killing tanks with a forge gun all the way across the map with 100% invincibility and/or on a tower is balanced and thats what's meant for, i kept telling them how unbalanced that is and they say "thats your opinion" and i said ccp is looking at balancing it and they said "thats CCP's" opinion" i REALLY hate av'r's, thier so ignorant(if i used it right). Correction.Me being a BREACH FORGEGUNNER (Prof 5, 2 Cx Dam Mods) GÖª 1 Shot DS GÖª 1 Shot Most LAVs GÖªTanks take all the way up to 3-4 shots, of a slow firing weapon, on a HEAVY , slow moving dropsuit, that CANT move while charging a shot. Tankers are just full of whine.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2427	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:36:00 - [2] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: they think 3 shotting any dropship and insta killing tanks with a forge gun all the way across the map with 100% invincibility and/or on a tower is balanced and thats what's meant for, i kept telling them how unbalanced that is and they say "thats your opinion" and i said ccp is looking at balancing it and they said "thats CCP's" opinion" i REALLY hate av'r's, thier so ignorant(if i used it right). Correction.Me being a BREACH FORGEGUNNER (Prof 5, 2 Cx Dam Mods) GÖª 1 Shot DS GÖª 1 Shot Most LAVs GÖªTanks take all the way up to 3-4 shots, of a slow firing weapon, on a HEAVY , slow moving dropsuit, that CANT move while charging a shot. Tankers are just full of whine.... im not talking about the breach, just the regular or assault, they said (read OP) that insta killing is ok and even in redline/tower spamming is balanced. btw atim STAY OUT i dont need more av'r's pissing me off Insta killing is NOT ok. Not even a Dropship should be insta killed by my FG.(2hits should be fine, giving him time ti flee or take cover, i mea it is 6 SECS after the first shot XD) But with Modules Running , a MAddy wont fall to my breach FG doing MASSIVE damage even with 2-5 shots. All this time, im unprotected (I dont tower camp) and vulerable to Tanks,DS, and other Infantry. Now. I do know i HAVE insta killed tanks. I wont lie. But they are MLT tanks. I do agree MLT tanks need to be less effective , but similar in resistance to STD tanks, same as MLT and STD dropsuits are alike (bar of 1 slot ,but equal HP) I kind of,see you point. Nothing should INSTA KILL a vehicle (except MLT/STD LAVs), but considering the weapon im using, the proficiency, the 2 Cx dam mods, and running a HEAVY... i think DS: 2 shots LLAVs: 2-3 shots STD - MLT - SLAVs : 1 Tanks MLT- 2 Any other tank- 2+ This , WITHOUT modules.... IMO that is. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2428	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:43:00 - [3] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: they think 3 shotting any dropship and insta killing tanks with a forge gun all the way across the map with 100% invincibility and/or on a tower is balanced and thats what's meant for, i kept telling them how unbalanced that is and they say "thats your opinion" and i said ccp is looking at balancing it and they said "thats CCP's" opinion" i REALLY hate av'r's, thier so ignorant(if i used it right). Correction.Me being a BREACH FORGEGUNNER (Prof 5, 2 Cx Dam Mods) GÖª 1 Shot DS GÖª 1 Shot Most LAVs GÖªTanks take all the way up to 3-4 shots, of a slow firing weapon, on a HEAVY , slow moving dropsuit, that CANT move while charging a shot. Tankers are just full of whine.... Your doing it wrong use an assault you shoot 2 shots in the time it takes a breach to shoot one and between the 2 shots you do more damage it's only useful for 1 shooting DS and shield tanks. Im not doing it wrong. I prefer 1 Shotting DS and LAVs because aiming a FG depending on the distance and my location might be troublesome. an ISH ASSAULT FG will never 1HKO a DS/LAV unless its a MLT without modules. And after the first shot they are VERY likely to FLEE leaving me without a vehicle destroy. I've been doing this for enough time Benjamin, have some faith. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2428	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:47:00 - [4] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: kingcheckmate, i don't mind if the breach FG got balanced, but 2700 dmg at pro seems, stupid and tower camp material 5 sec charge time with 2400-2500 dmg at pro or remove it as it will ohk any python with hardener down because its air so it's easy to see 6 secs charge in theory GÖª Tower camping is what should be FIXED GÖª You cannot penalize a AV player that is already using a HEAVY crap suit , a Weapon that takes 5+ secs to charge, while he CANT move, having a HUGE hitbox, just because some EZ moder douches tower camp..... The weapon IS designed to be a HARD hitting counter vs Vehicles. And thats how it should stay. Its a piece of crap outside hitting LAV's and DS, because a Tank can activate its modules and flee , and im stuck there with a charged shot with nothing to hit. XTRA NOTE:* That the BREACH FG is ALSO the one with LESS SPLASH DAMAGE and Splash area,so even infantry sniping takes some skill... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2429	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:49:00 - [5] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: kingcheckmate, i've shot a MOVING LLAV with a forge gun on a tower easily, near a bridge, its kinda easy(regular adv) Depends: GÖªWhat LAV? GÖªWhat FG where you using? GÖªIf you are Tower camping it gets easier, again , i dont tower camp GÖªDoes the enemy posess Snipers countering your tower camp? yes? MLT snipers? XD OR THALES? Most Vehicle drivers kill something once and assume its always easy. as someone who plays solo a great deal of time, AVing, WITH a Breach FG, vs Corp squads,vs Good vehicle drivers with well fitted vehicles, ITS NOT EASY. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2429	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:57:00 - [6] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: they think 3 shotting any dropship and insta killing tanks with a forge gun all the way across the map with 100% invincibility and/or on a tower is balanced and thats what's meant for, i kept telling them how unbalanced that is and they say "thats your opinion" and i said ccp is looking at balancing it and they said "thats CCP's" opinion" i REALLY hate av'r's, thier so ignorant(if i used it right). Correction.Me being a BREACH FORGEGUNNER (Prof 5, 2 Cx Dam Mods) GÖª 1 Shot DS GÖª 1 Shot Most LAVs GÖªTanks take all the way up to 3-4 shots, of a slow firing weapon, on a HEAVY , slow moving dropsuit, that CANT move while charging a shot. Tankers are just full of whine.... But why should it be so much more powerful than a railgun? Im not saying it Should. IMO you can have a Breach Rail gun (Turret) , with Same or MORE damage, same Splash radius some more splash damage. Suit yourself.... Also, you can Have the 5+ Sec per shot RoF and Wont be able to move while shooting. FAIR huh..? The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2429	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:58:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask. WORLD OF TANKS The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2431	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:00:00 - [8] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Your doing it wrong use an assault you shoot 2 shots in the time it takes a breach to shoot one and between the 2 shots you do more damage it's only useful for 1 shooting DS and shield tanks. You do realize that shields have a base resistance of 10% against Forge Guns right? Yes, but the best shield tanks have 40% resist and 5.5k shield with 10% reduction that's 50% damage reduction. A Wykiromi breach proficiency, 5 two damages, and a rear hit will drop the shields by more than half on the best tank, on an average fit it wil insta pop it or come very close. True and you have 5+ seconds to activate modules and start retreating. Couldnt do it? Then you were way in the open. Thats not how its done. Most good tankers i have issues killing ABUSE greatly Terrain and Cover..... To an Extent i can only hit them only ONCE before they are already behind cover. Then there are the ones that wait to play MANUS PEAK and run around in circles in the middle of the map. LOL. U dead. AGREE. FG should be rendered a LOT better for tankers (this is a top priority CCP) And Swarms should NOT be invisible. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2431	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:03:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask. WORLD OF TANKS PC cant run it. But why do I have to go to world of tanks to get 1v1 Tank v Tank gameplay. <--------- COD. I have what i want here Adamance. I aint the one complaining. (funny , you know i;'ve NEVER played a CoD? i cant even critizise it. I've always been a Doom/Quake/U.Tournament,MAG,BF3 kind of player...) The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2433	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:09:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask. WORLD OF TANKS PC cant run it. But why do I have to go to world of tanks to get 1v1 Tank v Tank gameplay. <--------- COD. I have what i want here Adamance. I aint the one complaining. (funny , you know i;'ve NEVER played a CoD? i cant even critizise it. I've always been a Doom/Quake/U.Tournament,MAG,BF3 kind of player...) Yup because Infy= King Infy don't want to play realistic games where Artillery bombards tanks and soldiers alike, they don't like playing games where helicopters can gun them down in droves before they can pull out that RPG, or a tank can thunder through cover to flank them unexpectedly. They also apparently don't like Tank turrets doing proportionate damage or having advanced targeting features. I cant answer since i didnt understand.Remember my main language is NOT english. So no need to be sarcastic, you can say the stuff more directly. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....

KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2433	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:16:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask. I just don't want to play a game of Tank 514 where I can either drive my tank, or get laughed at as I am gunned down by HAVs because my AV is too weak to even be considered a threat. Is that to much to ask? But the game is already AR/ SL 514. There is not balance right now. AGREED... BUT INSTEAD OF BALANCE, tankers want to completely flip the coin, and make it Tank514. And there is where Atiim and me come in... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2433	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:17:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You want every FPS to remove vehicles. Why don't you just go play Call of Duty? Putting words in my mouth is an old and ineffective trick. Its sad you are still doing this, more proof you are running out of arguments. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2434	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:19:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that. HAHAHAH 7 maybe 8 PROTO FG SHOTS? Ok lets say you can take that much. What prevents you from always kicking in afterburners after the 2 nd shot and run away, with NO possibility of EVER dying? Pfft u mad bro.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2438	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:45:00 - [14] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask. I just don't want to play a game of Tank 514 where I can either drive my tank, or get laughed at as I am gunned down by HAVs because my AV is too weak to even be considered a threat. Is that to much to ask? But the game is already AR/ SL 514. There is not balance right now. AGREED... BUT INSTEAD OF BALANCE, tankers want to completely flip the coin, and make it Tank514. And there is where Atiim and me come in... There is a cap on vehicles, also once you hit 4 HAV's it begins to get crowded and tanks will bump into and back over other tanks to get away. If their playing properly they will roll in pairs, simply get a DS with a good gunner on a good turret to separate them and single out an HAV and destroy it, quite simple. So i must be a DS driver and have at least 4 Specialist AV in my team to ensure a fun game? YOU OBVIOUSLY havnt been TANK Stomped in your LIFE. I know what it is to get in a game with a bunch of randoms and the enemy douches bring down 6 tanks and red line us. VERY,effin,FUN. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2438	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:46:00 - [15] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: AGREED... BUT INSTEAD OF BALANCE, tankers want to completely flip the coin, and make it Tank514. And there is where Atiim and me come in... There is a cap on vehicles, also once you hit 4 HAV's it begins to get crowded and tanks will bump into and back over other tanks to get away. If their playing properly they will roll in pairs, simply get a DS with a good gunner on a good turret to separate them and single out an HAV and destroy it, quite simple. Not enough room for 7 HAVs? Have you even been to maps like Manus Peak? And that tactic requires a pilot so how would that help balance things in terms of infantry? Lol Manus peak with 7 moving HAV's tell me that's not an accident waiting to happen. The tanker needs another tanker for the support and teamwork why shouldn't the infantry have to use teamwork? I've seen a LOT> A SHI** of tankers Soloing games and doing Good. With ''UP'' Tanks as they are. Im not sure what Tankers using teamwork you are talking about bro. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....**
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2440	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:50:00 - [16] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that. HAHAHAH 7 maybe 8 PROTO FG SHOTS? Ok lets say you can take that much. What prevents you from always kicking in afterburners after the 2 nd shot and run away, with NO possibility of EVER dying? Pfft u mad bro.... My fit has 19k+ EHP I might not be able to tank 7-8 shots from Cubs but in general yes. I don't use it not enough PG on my fit. Then i Completely disagree with you there. A Proto BREACH FG should 4 Shot ANY tank.AT WORST. You have Modules,speed and Cover to avoid death. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2444	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:26:00 - [17] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: What Avers need to understand is that staying isk positive in vehicles is dam near difficult and to do so requires a ton on sp investment, where as a single av weapon is all that is needed on the Av unit, which allows him to have other builds to do other things. Investing into vehicles means you're infantry sp would be lack luster If you want vehicles to be made out of new eden glass, that is fine but the price of vehicles needs to account for that. Because if the idea is that all it takes is one av user to take down a vehicle, then fairness would dictate that vehicles would need to cost the same as infantry, since they are able to operate on the same level. '' where as a single av weapon is all that is needed on the Av unit,'' This is not True. A person that has ONLY a Proto AV weapon is not going to do very well vithout the passives, a good sidearm, Damage mods, Proto Dam Mods, at Least ADV level Dropsuit, AV grenades and at least lv 1 in nanohives. (Heavies might pull through while tower camping with a STD suit and ADV Forge gun.) Missing the point here bro. GÖªAgree, Prices need a reduction to make tanking affordable.* The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2453	Posted - 2013.11.26 04:37:00 - [18] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: So i must be a DS driver and have at least 4 Specialist AV in my team to ensure a fun game? YOU OBVIOUSLY havnt been TANK Stomped in your LIFE. I know what it is to get in a game with a bunch of randoms and the enemy douches bring down 6 tanks and red line us. VERY,effin,FUN. infantry stomp all the time, why cant tanks? double standered, if the enemy has any pro the match is already lost but with tanks and less enemy's hacking and going indoors Because i can DEAL with infantry Stomp ALONE. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....